sorry fellows. i can't seperate the issues as they relate to this: several months about there was a firestorm over the hetchins 'issue'. are the two firms which now produce 'hetchins' forging or reproducing? yeah-i know... no one ever said the campy-hoods-on-ebay were, in fact, forgeries. i'm just seeing some overlap on the issue at hand. e-RICHIE telai da corsa dans l'atelier on the 1st floor
On Sat, 06 Apr 2002 08:15:59 -0700 "Steven L. Sheffield"
<stevens@veloworks.com> writes:
>
>
> for·ger·y
> n. pl. for·ger·ies
> 1. The act of forging, especially the illegal production of
> something
> counterfeit.
> 2. Something counterfeit, forged, or fraudulent.
> 3. A copy that is presented as the original [syn: imitation,
> counterfeit]
> 4. criminal falsification by making or altering an instrument with
> intent
> to defraud
>
>
> re·pro·duc·tion
> n.
> 1. The act of reproducing or the condition or process of being
> reproduced.
> 2. Something reproduced, especially in the faithfulness of its
> resemblance
> to the form and elements of the original: a fine reproduction of
> a
> painting by Matisse.
>
>
> There is a vast difference between a forgery and a reproduction.
> The
> gentleman who is making these hoods is not passing them off as
> original ...
> so they are not forgeries.
>
>
> --
>
> Steven L. Sheffield
> stevens at veloworks dot com
> veloworks at mac dot com
> aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash
> double-you
> double-yew double-ewe dot veloworks dot com [four word] slash
>
>
>
> > From: "Steve Neago" <questor@cinci.rr.com>
> > Reply-To: "Steve Neago" <questor@cinci.rr.com>
> > Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 10:02:10 -0500
> > To: <Patrick@aardvark-pro.com>, "'Jim Cole'" <jcole@memphis.edu>,
> > <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > Subject: Re: [CR]Campy Repro Hoods Results
> >
> > A "forgery" (your negative conotation) depends on the view of the
> beholder
> > and depends on why the reproduction was made in the first place.
> >
> > An ultra-purist with a strictly show bike would claim these are a
> forgery
> > yet a person with a "rider" bike would shout with glee at
> obtaining viable
> > replacement part. Criticizing repro parts as "forgeries" is
> getting anal.
> >
> > It all depends on the buyer's perspective. For a rare and
> practically
> > unobtainable rubber part to be made available at a reasonable price
> is OK by
> > me... no need to stamp repro parts when it fits my bike!
> >
> > Regards, Steve Neago
> > "Just back from 85 degree Florida vacation to 2 inches of snow in
> Cincinnati
> > OH"
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dave Patrick" <Patrick@aardvark-pro.com>
> > To: "'Jim Cole'" <jcole@memphis.edu>;
> <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 5:01 PM
> > Subject: RE: [CR]Campy Repro Hoods Results
> >
> >
> >> Well, I'd better add to this: I don't think duplicating Campy
> hoods is too
> >> difficult to achieve by most "handy" CR members. Part of my
> background
> >> involves lining up protyping of various designs etc., and I think
> that the
> >> necessary products for molds and castings are obtainable if one
> wanted to
> >> "duplicate" this individual's results. I have a strong suspicion
> that
> > we'll
> >> be seeing quite a few "bootleg" Campy hoods in the very near
> future, which
> >> will then result in emails on this site over how to detect "the
> real
> > thing"
> >> from the "forgeries". Are we having fun yet?
> >>
> >>
> >> Dave Patrick
> >> Chelsea, Michigan
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: classicrendezvous-admin@bikelist.org
> >> [mailto:classicrendezvous-admin@bikelist.org]On Behalf Of Jim
> Cole
> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 4:53 PM
> >> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> >> Subject: [CR]Campy Repro Hoods Results
> >>
> >>
> >> Looks like the auction has ended for those reproduction Campy
> world logo
> >> hoods. The final price was $43.00. Guess that's about 1/2 or
> what the
> >> original article brings on ebay these days. Sure hope more
> become
> >> available.
> >>
> >> http://ebay.com/
> >>
> >> Jim Cole
> >> Memphis, TN