Since I've been relatively quiet lately, I'll add my 2ยข worth. I've in the past been an advocate of wide availabliity of reproduced decals and remain so. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean I would condemn anyone who refused to sell decals, particularly original ones. I think Dale makes that point very well. As to $500 decals, I would have a very low opinion of someone who gouged a fellow list member for such a price, but that IS NOT the same as insisting on selling decals only with a paint job. A refinishing job involves material and labor, and provides the seller's livelihood. To provide decals with a $500 paint job is not even remotely like selling a set of decals for $500. The fact that the buyer does not need a frame refinished does not obligate the seller to sell decals separately. Do I wish some refinishers who have decals would sell them to me separately? Yes. Do I think they have an obligation to do so? NO!
Regards,
Jerry Moos Houston, TX Missed Cirque, but Dale mailed me my CR jersey, and it is great.
> In a message dated 5/12/2002 11:55:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> gapple@nvt.com writes:
>
> << He e-mailed around, and he called around only
> to find that no decal supplier would supply a decal without
> conditions. They obviously had the decal but would not part with one.
> Why? I call it the "I have got mine" syndrome. These people had the
> decals, but would not part with them unless my friend refinished the
> entire frame. How about $500 for a decal? It is always their choice
> as sellers, but it sets a tone for the CR community that, in my
> humble opinion...stinks. >>
>
> Hmmm.
> I see we are all not on the same page here.. (Surprise!)
>
> Re: Mark's gripe that folks had not answered him ("snubbed"?)... I didn't
see
> his messages to whoever it was but I would like to before passing any
> judgement. Some of us get a humongous number of e-mails and are able to
> answer just a portion. If Mark's question to these guys was very specific
and
> to the point, I think most folks would have happily answered it. If it
> called for theoretic solutions or involved dialogue, that answer/response
> might have been "tabled" till they had time to answer. I do that all the
> time.. I receive an e-mail and I save it till I have the time to answer
> properly. Sometimes it slips through the cracks and I never answer. If I
> don't know the answer, it also gets stalled out...
> Also, and this is a tough one, we have to remember that our unsolicited
mail
> questions are not entitled to a quick response from folks. Some folks do
not
> e-mail as readily as others. Some folks don't read their e-mails 5 times a
> day like I do!! Some look at it once a week!
>
> Re: the selling of decals. This is kinda like someone asking your sister
for
> a date! Just because I have a sister,m you are not automatically invited
to
> go out with her! In my case, I have stashed away a little collection of
> decals myself. If I have a surplus (which is an undefined concept) I might
> pass them along to someone else. Some I have had for 20 years or more.
> Let's do a "for instance": Now some guy e-mails me looking for a set of
> Torpado decals .. I do not know him.. he just joined the CR list but I
never
> had any dealings with him.. He was not at the Cirque or Lars or the Velo
> Rendezvous... I have three sets left. No more exist in the world at least
> that I have a chance at.. I also make my living at bike stuff and do
> repaints. Do I save those decals for proven friends? Do I save then for a
> repaint order that contributes more to the CDO rent than the measly
$25-40
> bucks a set of decals would bring? If I sell the decals them that paint
order
> cannot be filled, the person would go to CyclArt who can make their own
> decals.
> So what is fair here? Is that person being fair in griping about me not
> contributing to the CR community?
>
> I think all these questions have two sides..............
>
>
>
>
> Dale Brown
> cycles de ORO, Inc.
> 1410 Mill Street
> Greensboro, North Carolina
> USA 27408
> 336-274-5959
> Fax 336-274-6360
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