ben kamen wrote:
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> 6/19/02 10:49 PMclassicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org
>
> > dale, my leader...
> > i humbly disagree.
> > i really believe richard storino on all counts. whether they made
> > their rubber products or had them sourced, campagnolo srl is
> > not in the business of replacing parts on thirty year old bicycles.
> > if they, in fact, made hoods, some other e-group may pine for
> > chainring bolts that say 'patent'. where does it stop?
> > in the case of the hoods, 'back in the day', they never cost
> > a king's ransom; why didn't the several hundred or so folks
> > who want them now not have the foresight to stash a few away?
> > for what they now fetch on ebay, one could've bought a dozen pair
> > in the days in which they were new, not 'vintage'.
> > i think the firm is getting a bad rap. campagnolo is not mercedes,
> > nor is the cr 'timeline bicycle' collected with the fervor attached to
> > vintage autos. that's a market with a long lineage and from which
> > some serious profits can be taken. not so, this bike thing.
> > e-RICHIE
> > (i hope you'll still take my phone calls!)
>
> gotta agree with richard - mercedes benz only started their heritage parts
> division after seeing just how much money was to be made. 3rd party
> fabricators were reproducing everything that most people saught and it
> dawned on MB that they still had all the old moulds, casting, plates and
> machinery. it is a profitable venture on their behalf. being such a huge
> company they could afford to and its also a nice marketing schtik for them
> as well. take your 280sl for $18,000 that runs and looks fine and restore it
> for another $65,000 to be in close to concours condition. yet they still
> aren't as sought after or valued as an original low miler in pristine
> condition.
>
> repro campy hoods debating seems more semantics than anything - buy whatever
> tickles your fancy and leave the fuss out. brandishing high and mighty views
> will only attract the campy legal dept. without garnering an interest from
> them to remake them. if someone remakes them and makes a tidy summ good luck
> to them. were campy to remake them for and profit im sure we would endure 2
> weeks worth of outrage at the high price and quality offered and yes repro's
> would still be made and sold. fresh world logo hoods can still be had - if
> the price kills you then a little humility and probably a better made hood
> in that style can be found for a lot less. always will be.
>
> im sure were we all to own up to our hoardings there would be enough to go
> around and drop their market price considerably. greed amongst us is the
> only thing thats driven their price to where it is. i know that some who
> lament the outrageous values also take their stash out of carefully stored,
> and cotton lined boxes to get all fetishistc over their "riches". there are
> also sellers who have them and could sell them for far less but as the
> demand will always outwiegh supply there is no reason for them to share
> their riches - its a simple waiting game.
>
> i dont wear horse hair on my head just cause nature/god decided i was to go
> without - nor am i asking god for some owed liability or compensation. i
> dont see why some should feel that campy owe them brake hoods for small coin
> when it only represents such a minutely small % of what their customers buy.
> all the parts from them that interest us here were profits that have been
> forgotten and spent. the buyers of their modern parts is what is in their
> interests. simply - they dont need the cult status, its not worth ($) the
> effort.
>
> Leica aren't chaffing at the bit to make a new shutter curtain for me after
> 30 years, especially when i am perhaps the 15th owner of the camera. if they
> did i wouldn't want to pay the $300 odd dollars for one were they to start
> making them in small numbers top satisfy the 1500 or so owners currently
> using them even.
>
> if you are buying bikes and parts that are no longer made what do you
> expect. who here would buy a garage sale "ultra-desirable" and tell the
> seller that they are going to pay them $2000 instead of the $100 they are
> asking cause thats the market worth. this hoo-hah is boring and finding rare
> things for little coin is a joy and not a right. otherwise open your wallets
> or start looking. were campy hoods available at colorado cyclist for $5 im
> sure something else to gripe about would eventuate.
>
> none of this becomes the CR list.
>
> would my life be richer if i had an original remote for 4 year old sony VCR
> - no the Tandy universal model for $14.99 does just as well. sony would
> laugh at my request to remake one for me just as Campy is laughing at
> requests for their hoods. its cute and flattering but they will never take
> it seriously as they are in business to make money. if tullio were alive his
> response would be the same. it should have dawned on some of you that what
> you live for isnt getting cheaper.
>
> ciao,
>
> ben "still waiting on repro door sills for my Yugo" kamen NYC
WOW! Colorado Cyclist has Campy brake hoods for $5!?!?!? Ooooops... Make that: wow! colorado cyclist has campy brake hoods for $5!?!?!?
boy howdy! chuck "shift key??? screw that!" schmidt sopas, socal