Re: [CR]The concept of Constructor

(Example: Framebuilders:Tony Beek)

From: <dbrk@troi.cc.rochester.edu>
Subject: Re: [CR]The concept of Constructor
To: rocklube@adnc.com
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 09:50:43 -0400 (EDT)
Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
In-Reply-To: <3D1D018C.3725@adnc.com>


Brian and Constructeur-interestedpals,

Brian, good'on'ya' for wanting to take up a project that is as skilled as it is time-consuming. M. Csuka has more than once noted in the building of Singer that it is time and detailing that distinguishes the bikes, that others could do it but don't spend the effort and time necessary or have other things in mind, other sorts of bikes. Mike Barry, who I would consider a good friend, has laboured (fine nod to Canadian spelling...:-)) over such details aloud with me, especially as we put together my 650B. (I too would urge against 650C for the tire choices...).

I would concur with Jan about the way a light-touring/audax comes together as a whole entity. And at the risk of adding little more than adda'boys, I would go a tad further to suggest that fenders and lights that are so easily removed or swapped out _may_ undermine the constructeur notion itself. When I look at my Singers, Herse, or Mariposa (a true constructeur bicycle in 650B) what I see, as a complete amateur whose eye cannot compare to that of a true builder (I agree entirely with that point!!), involves the mounting, construction of fenders and lights in such a way that they are so integral to the bike that any method of relatively simple removal would not be possible. The braze-ons, the custom mounts for the fenders and the lines achieved, the way the wiring works through the custom carriers---when you add fenders and lights these become _part_ of the bike. You can remove them (and I would concur with Jan here too that there seems little advantage to that, especially since you aren't talking about low-rider racks, such as the removeable in part ones like on my Singer 650B, exactly the sort that Jan was talking about), but the time and effort taken to get these elements of the bike all in the right place and functioning does not lend itself to a quick-on/quick-off solution. That sort of versatility is more along the lines of Rivendell, unless you have GP design a bike for audax specific purposes (as Jan and I have done as well). Anyway, my point is that it is a spectacular idea to have a Baylis Randonneur, which is more or less what you are proposing, put in terms of the French bikes that I have (the 700c Singer on Dale's site being a close match to your descriptions, I believe), but like Jan I think I would urge you to hold the line sort of in principle about the final outcome. I think, to put it in more exaggerated terms, that the versatility you propose would risk compromising the constructeur style "light tourer"/ audax bike you seem to be proposing. You'll notice I didn't say that you should or shouldn't do something, since I am a rank amateur with nothing more than bikes and some experience riding them to go on. Modern constructeur bikes are indeed built in north America by Mike Barry who prefers, if I may be so bold as to speak up in this way, Ergo parts and modern lighting options. I think an updated-to-modern parts but old-school fenders (HONJOS!!) and ways of wiring lights through custom carriers is the way to go. My 650B Mariposa is definitely more oldschool across the board while Larry Strung's wonderful 26" wheeled bike with Ergo makes all the smart moves towards modernity, imho. I like old stuff, that's all, and the the Simplex drivetrain with demultiplicator is my best shifting bike by _far_ (including some that don't make this List). Anyway, pictures of my constructeur bikes are all in one place now and the likes of Brian will see in them things that have never occurred to the likes of me. Look here again, just for convenience or curiosity: http://photos.yahoo.com/dvicakrababa

two-wheel mendicant=dvicakrababa, Douglas Brooks Canandaigua, NY who never, ever meant any offense in the post about Confente and apologizes to anyone who felt it was directed towards him or her...