What the hell kind of listmember are you? American cycling enthusiasts damn well know who I am, and any framebuilder with REAL experience would concur that there are few of us on the list. In fact there are some of us who get impatient with what can be reduced to simple camaraderie For example there are two guys that could not live any further apart, and still live in the US, that like to talk about twizzlers, both of these guys have my utmost respect, one if them as good of a framebuider/painter/restorer as there is, period. The other has worked nonstop, without interruption for decades in a trade that is damn hard to stick with for even a year or two. If you had a goddamn clue, you would understand that these are people who like to be in touch, and enjoy their hobbies, and their work. They are also a wealth of historical facts, and real knowledge. I think, if you want to police the list, and "jettison" anybody that does not please you, then you and Al Gore, should go establish your own Internet, and make it an invitation only list with you as the imperial wizard, and all these infidels can throw themselves at your feet, and you can judge their worthiness at your discretion. Meanwhile, I concur, that you should Fuck off. Dave Tesch