Alan,
With all due respect to Hilary Stone; the presentation on alternative frame designs at Le Cirque 2002 was given by Ray Etherton. Just wanted the record to reflect that fact out of the respect due Ray for his knowledge and effort. I suppose it wouldn't be hard to understand why I happen to remember this since that topic is of greater interest to me than the fine job Hilary did regarding the history of English component companies. Both were great!
Brian Baylis La Mesa, CA SEE, my memory isn't dead......it just smells funny.