Okay, but making the Ebay world safe for Campy buyers isn't my objective. At least it is not my intent to try to get everybody posting to Ebay to use correct or consistent names. That will never happen, becuase sellers just don't care. As you said, there are reasons to use NR and SR when, technically plain ol' Record is correct. What I want to do is give CR folks a resource that identifies the different models so that they will know the history of the changes, what is correct for their projects and what they might want to be shopping for a swap meets, on CR, or on Ebay. But I don't think I can do it alone.... LouDeeter@aol.com wrote: I've been following this thread about difference between NR and SR or just "record". I believe that sellers on ebay or anywhere else should diffentiate between the old "record" that came with NR/SR groups and the new "record" that came after the C-Record group to present. I personally advertise shifters, hubs, calipers and pedals from those groups as NR/SR, just so the buyer doesn't think I'm offering a late 80s or 90s record version. I usually further mention that the hubs have the black oil port cover and the color of the cages for pedals, again, just for completeness and avoidance of misinformation. Likewise whether the skewers are curved or flat and the color of the brake hoods if not gum should be mentioned. I've found that a lot of wheels have Campagnolo skewers that are not the original skewers that came with that particularly hubset as well. I know in my own collection that the skewers have been mixed and mis-matched so much that it would be almost impossible for me to say which ones came with which set of hubs. Curved vs flat, domed vs cone end nuts, with D-wire, no wire--all are things that make a difference to a collector, but little difference for the average user. Derailleurs, brake levers, headsets and cranks are different between Nuovo and Super Record, so the names do accurately identify them. I can't tell the difference between the various bottom brackets except for the ones with alloy cups, so I try to price things as if they were lower quality when selling or buying unless I know that the spindle is titanium. If a seller advertises either pedals, hubs, bb, or calipers as Super Record, then I believe it is up to the knowledgeable buyer to ascertain whether they are in fact the Titanium version of those items that would legitimately make a difference. Otherwise, this is like arguing over how many angels will fit on the head of a pin. Lou Deeter, Orlando FL _______________________________________________
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