greg. THANK YOU! e-RICHIE chester, ct
On Fri, 12 Jul 2002 22:21:00 EDT GPVB1@cs.com writes:
> T:
>
> You are essentially correct about the visual differences between the
> two
> lever styles, but I would personally find it difficult to tell the
> difference
> from a publicity/catalog shot.
>
> With all additional due respect, in the end it matters not one whit
> what any
> catalog shows, as they were/are notoriously wrong. This we have
> discussed ad
> nauseam on CR in the past, particularly with respect to Campagnolo's
>
> catalogs. Campy used "cut-and-pasted" (with scissors, this is years
> BC* we're
> talkin') graphics for decades, for example, even though the product
> had
> changed. Additionally, the timing of the release of photographed
> catalogs
> often will require that less-than-full-Production parts be used for
> the photo
> shoot.
>
> What really matters is what any particular Manufacturer actually
> produced and
> sold to the public in volume (we're not talking one-off protos. here
> either).
>
> Personally, I never believe something just because I saw it in
> print. I
> always want real-world data.
>
> Question to all 700-plus listmembers: has anyone on this list ever
> held in
> their hand a "long-reach" Super Record brake lever that measures 4mm
> from the
> top of the front logo border to the top of the lever stamping? If
> so, please
> come forward now or forever hold your peace....
>
> (Dramatic pause...).
>
> I rest my case.
>
> Greg Parker
> A2 MI USA
>
> *before computers
>
> Tom D. wrote:
>
> > Subject: Re: [CR] Of Campagnolo Brake Levers and their shapes
> > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> >
> >
> > With all due respect, I think the giveaway is visible from
> virtually any
> > angle. The major dimensional difference may be in the angle at
> the top of
> > the blade, but the curves are different and the width of the blade
> is
> > different. There was a Benotto catalog that also depicted a
> long-reach SR
> > lever, I'll try to find a link.
> > Tom Dalton
> > Bethlehem, PA
> > Richard M Sachs <richardsachs@juno.com> wrote: delayed reply...
> > greg's right. that's why i think the pic of the
> > raleigh with sr levers is deceiving; the 'giveaway'
> > is not visible from the perspective that the picture
> > was shot in.
> > e-RICHIE
> > still in chesta'
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:10:46 EDT GPVB1@cs.com writes:
> > > Also, the distance from the top of the logo border on the front
> of
> > > the lever
> > > stamping (weren't they stamped?) to the top of the lever is much
> less on
> > the early lever, as
> > > they
> > > just left more material on the finished lever to make the later
>
> > > style..... I
> > > just measured a pair of each, and the distances are 4mm and 6.5
> mm
> > > respectively on the parts I checked. Very visible to the eye,
> even
> > > more so if
> > > you have one of each style to observe side by side.
> > >
> > > Personally, I've never seen early-type ("long-reach") Production
> SR
> > > brake
> > > levers. I'm fairly confident that they had made that change
> before
> > > SR
> > > debuted. Also, I assume folks know that the holes were pierced
> in
> > > the SR
> > > levers before forming, and that the SR lever is slightly heavier
>
> > > than an "N"
> > > R due to thicker material to make up for the weakening due to
> the
> > > holes!!
> > >
> > > Greg Parker
> > > A2 MI USA
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Tom Dalton
> > >
> > > > Subject: Re: [CR]Of Campagnolo Brake Levers and their shapes
> > > > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Like I said, maybe I'm just imagining this...
> > > > But seriously, I think the difference is not at all subtle and
> can
> > > be
> > > > easily seen whether or not the lever is mounted in the body or
> the
> > > body is
> > > > on the bar, or whatever. The lower end of the older lever is
> more
> > > pointy,
> > > > the compound curve is more dramatic (like a higher amplitude
> sine
> > > wave).
> > > > Tom Dalton
> > > > Bethlehem, PA
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Richard M Sachs wrote: i don't think you
> > > can tell
> > > > the lever 'type' from the radius.
> > > > the main giveaway is evident when the blade is
> > > > not in the body; the shape of the casting at its
> > > > uppermost point is very different.
> > > > e-RICHIE
> > > > chester...