Brandon Ives <monkeylad@mac.com> writes: <... The same goes for other folks like Sachs and Lyon who have been building very similar frames for the past 30 years...>
mine are not similar, it's just that i still join tubes with lugs.
<... Some builders fall into some grey areas...>
my areas are red.
e-RICHIE Richard Sachs Cycles No.9, North Main Street Chester, CT 06412 USA http://www.richardsachs.com Tel. 860.526.2059
> Nice you see that this discussion is bringing folks out of wood work.
>
> I think I should clarify a couple of things about what myself and
> others have said. First there are two arguments here, one is what's
>
> classic vs. classic inspired and the second is what is "on-topic."
> These need to be looked at as two separate issues. Rivendell bikes
>
> are most definitely on-topic, but using the list definition they are
>
> not classic but classic inspired. Some builders fall into some grey
>
> areas. Brian's Wizard's and Masi's are absolute classics, but a
> modern Baylis frame is classic inspired??? The same goes for other
>
> folks like Sachs and Lyon who have been building very similar
> frames
> for the past 30 years. Classifying these folks as classic or
> classically inspired is quite difficult. On the other hand
> Rivendell
> wasn't even an idea when when the loose "classic" cut off date of
> the
> mid-80s is reached. Grant created Riv 10 years after the cut off
> date, thus they were inspired by classic design and not from the
> classic era.. I'm not even going to get into Klein's and Hi-E's
> right now. Everything clear as mud now?
>
> Also for some of you new members most of the bickering we do on the
>
> list is between friends. If I go toe-to-toe with Chuck, e-richie,
> or
> any one else of the "old guard" we're all still friends. This list
>
> has almost been a love fest since I rejoined a couple of months ago.
>
> There are a lot of opinions and backgrounds on the list and many
> times "the facts" are viewed and debated from diametrically opposed
>
> positions*. Some topics have been beaten like the proverbial horse
>
> and they will continue to be. There will always been a new member
> who needs to ID a Masi or know the date of a Campy crank with an 11
>
> in a box. If you don't like the discussion or think that there is
> some unanswered question, ask a question. At worst it'll be like my
>
> tandem question and get 2 responses. Maybe though it'll start a
> week
> long debate and debate is the spice of life. . . .and the list.
> enjoy,
> Brandon"monkeyman"Ives
>
> * for an excellent example of this follow this link to the bottom of
>
> the page and download the Masi-Confente-Medici story
> <http://www.uweb.ucsb.edu/~mkirklan/classiclinks.html>.
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