I'm not sure if the problem was the chainline or the arm touching the stay. The mechanic (Kevin Casey in Los Angeles) is good enough that he would worry about chain line, and I think he mentioned it to me, but ... He's also spoken of proper torque when affixing Campy cranks...something I'd never heard or (or thought about) before. Very likely the arm is worn a bit AND the BB/arm combo is not right for this frame (which I am told originally had Suntour BB).
Bill
-----Original Message----- From: Tom Dalton [mailto:tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 6:11 AM To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: RE: [CR]Miele for Real?
Regarding the snipped item below: When you say the 42 was not aligning properly, I assume you mean that it was hitting the stay, as opposed to giving bad chainline, which would be independent of ring size. In any case, it sounds like something isn't right. Yes, It could be that the frame doesn't have sufficient clearance for rings as large as 42, but that would be a defect in either design or fabrication, since 42 is well within the normal range for inner rings. It seems unlikely that a traditional "Italian" road bike would be built this way. More likely, your BB/arm combo is incompatible. It is also possible that the combo is compatible, but wear on the arm has allowed it to push too far on to the spindle. We talked about that just recently... "to grease or not to grease?"
Tom Dalton
Bethlehem, PA
Thanks for your information. I do like this frame, so I'll guess it's one of the better ones. Columbus for sure; SL or SLX I'm not sure. My mechanic had to space out the BB to get the 42-tooth ring to align properly--otherwise it was too close. This has caused me to assume that the framewere intended to use a crankset with a 39-tooth ring...which would mean late 80s, early 90s?
-----Original Message----- From: Craig Gignac [mailto:cgignac@atrsi.com] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 4:11 PM To: Snyder, Bill Subject: RE: [CR]Miele for Real?
I apologize for not contacting you through CR, however, I have not been able to successfully post a message, and have been too lazy to figure it out.
Here's a Miele story...
Made in Mississauga, Ontario. Clifclimbr sold one on e-bay about 2 months ago -- is this the one? That frame, though claimed to be made in Italy is a Canadian made frame. The "Italian"-ness of it probably comes from the Columbus steel that Miele used. I pointed this out to Joe when he listed his bike, but he didn't update the listing.
I do not know of any Italian made Miele frames. A European manufacturer called Miele makes household appliances. I do not know if they make bikes.
Miele in Canada made beautiful light weight frames up to a couple of years ago, when they folded. The name has returned recently with off-road models. Also beware that they also made tank frames for road bikes too.
I believe part of the demise of the Road Miele was the result of too many lightening holes drilled in the frame for routing cables. These are excellent locations to relieve strain, which result in cracked tubes. I've seen it more than once.
Craig Gignac Guelph, Ontario
PS. If you don't mind please post this to CR so that I am at least partially compliant.
Thanks
-----Original Message----- From: Snyder, Bill [mailto:bill.snyder@spirentcom.com] Sent: August 8, 2002 5:48 PM To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Miele for Real?
I recently bought a mid- to late-80s Miele frame on eBay, built it up with early Chorus, and have been enjoying it. I know this is not a "big name," but it's also not bad.
The brand sticker advertises it as "Made in Canada," but I've seen notes on eBay that claim the frames were actually made in Italy.
Does anyone know the actual provenance of these frames?
Thanks,
Bill Snyder Technical Publications Spirent Communications Performance Analysis - Broadband 26750 Agoura Road Calabasas, CA 91302 818 676 2427
_______________________________________________
_______________________________________________
---------------------------------
Do You Yahoo!?
HotJobs, a Yahoo! service - Search Thousands of New Jobs