RE: [CR]V R Group Rates: The Sad Story

Dear List, At Chuck's urging, I share my experience w/youse all. Please be nice to her ,as she is a very sweet lady. But be firm. Its not our fault their e-mail was down. Be aware however that there is some big football(U.S. style) game in town that weekend. Seems to be one reason for less availability. And DON'T tell her I said to call!!!! Whomever ths helps; beers on you. ciao, GianTindaro Pergolizzi N.Y.C. just back from 40 mi. in Prospect Park, Brooklyn.

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Viking Path and Oscar Egg lugs (Hilary Stone) 2. Re: Viking Path and Oscar Egg lugs (pam knight) 3. RE: Avocet Parts Questions (pam knight) 4. RE: Raleigh Hot Rod (raleypc@netscape.net) 5. RE: Masi Carsbad vs San Marcos Question-tell me it isn't so! (Mark) 6. RE: Viking Path and Oscar Egg lugs (Mark Bulgier) 7. RE: Raleigh Hot Rod (Beyer Jr., Chris (C.C.)) 8. Re: RE: [CR]Masi Carsbad vs San Marcos Question-tell me it isn't so! (Steven L. Sheffield) 9. Re: Masi Carsbad vs San Marcos Question-tell me it isn't so! (Greg Fletcher) 10. Re: Masi Question (Brian Baylis) 11. Pinarello frame sold on German Ebay (The Maaslands) 12. Re: Pinarello frame sold on German Ebay (Chuck Schmidt) 13. Re: Masi Carsbad vs San Marcos Question-tell me it isn't so! (Brian Baylis) 14. R: [CR]Every Bikes and Ian Cammish (The Maaslands) 15. Campagnolo Large Flange rear Track Hub (The Maaslands) 16. RE: Every Bikes and Ian Cammish (Mark Bulgier) 17. Ian Cammish (=?iso-8859-1?q?michael=20butler?=) 18. Re: Pinarello frame sold on German Ebay (PBridge130@aol.com) 19. Re: V R Group Rates: The Sad Story (John Pergolizzi) 20. RE: Ian Cammish (Mark Bulgier)

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Message: 1 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:29:06 +0100 Subject: Re: [CR]Viking Path and Oscar Egg lugs From: Hilary Stone <hilary.stone@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <OROBOYZ@aol.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>

Those are not Oscar Egg lugs - they are one of the numerous versions of the Nervex Serie Legere lugs. Oscar Egg style lugs are a good deal plainer - being really from a slightly earlier era.

Hilary Stone in sunny old Bristol, England

Dale Brown wrote:
> In a message dated 9/19/2002 6:52:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> hayesbikes@mail.nls.net writes:
>
> << A Viking "path racer" with track drop-outs
> and fender eyelets. The paint on this appears to be in excellent
> condition, so much so, that I'd guess it to be a repaint ....
> http://ebay.com/<blah>
>>>
>
> That's got to be a repaint... also wrong Reynolds decal (too new) methinks..
>
> But what about that reference to Oscar Egg lugs? Are those? Not what I
> thought they would look like but then again I have never known much about O.
> Egg lugs. Those look rather more ordinary than I expected....
>

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Message: 2 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 08:16:15 -0700 (PDT) From: pam knight <pamjknight@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [CR]Viking Path and Oscar Egg lugs To: Hilary Stone <hilary.stone@blueyonder.co.uk>, OROBOYZ@aol.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

I believe you are correct. I recall seeing a beautiful late 40's Gillott at Lars Anderson a few years ago that was owned by a Boston collector, built with very elegant O/E lugs with a double spearpoint detail. I don't know much of the variations of OE lugs, however. Pam Knight Western New York Hilary Stone wrote:Those are not Oscar Egg lugs - they are one of the numerous versions of the Nervex Serie Legere lugs. Oscar Egg style lugs are a good deal plainer - being really from a slightly earlier era.

Hilary Stone in sunny old Bristol, England

Dale Brown wrote:
> In a message dated 9/19/2002 6:52:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> hayesbikes@mail.nls.net writes:
>
> << A Viking "path racer" with track drop-outs
> and fender eyelets. The paint on this appears to be in excellent
> condition, so much so, that I'd guess it to be a repaint ....
> http://ebay.com/<blah>
>>>
>
> That's got to be a repaint... also wrong Reynolds decal (too new) methinks..
>
> But what about that reference to Oscar Egg lugs? Are those? Not what I
> thought they would look like but then again I have never known much about O.
> Egg lugs. Those look rather more ordinary than I expected....
>

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Message: 3 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 08:02:39 -0700 (PDT) From: pam knight <pamjknight@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [CR] Avocet Parts Questions To: Janis Johnson <picabo58@earthlink.net>, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

Is this classic content?? Pam Knight, Western New York Janis Johnson wrote:Avocet currently markets a variety of different products. Compact cycling computers; anatomic saddles for men and women; tires with innovative tread for grip and speed; altimeter technology for cycling, skiing, and hiking; and heart rate monitors for precise training. Their R20 FasGrip 700C clincher tire is still my favorite for European Alps tours and bombing on the fire roads of the Santa Cruz Mountains. Unfortunately, no longer available with the tan sidewall. Only black. Yuck! Jan (former Avocet/Palo Alto Bicycles employee, who got busted several times by Bernie for sliding down the loading ramp inside the store) Johnson Palo Alto, CA

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Message: 4 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:25:04 -0400 From: raleypc@netscape.net To: jcole@memphis.edu (Jim Cole), Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org ("Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org") Subject: RE: [CR]Raleigh Hot Rod

This is another of listmember Karl Edward's stylish creations!

Paul Raley 35 miles on the International today in Sunny Southern MD

Jim Cole <jcole@memphis.edu> wrote:
>I never went in for that customized hot rod look for classic road bikes
>and always preferred a more original look.  I did notice a lowly Raleigh
>Sprite 5-speed that is highly customized and actually pretty cool
>looking on ebay:
>
>http://ebay.com/<blah>
>
>Lots of swanky British accessories and I like the down turned bars.  Not
>exactly the treatment I would give a high end road bike, but definitely
>gave me some ideas for that run-of-the-mill British 3-speed, Raleigh
>Sprite, etc. that I run across.
>
>Jim Cole
>Memphis, TN
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Message: 5 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:19:43 -0400 From: Mark <rena.cutrufelli@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [CR]Masi Carsbad vs San Marcos Question-tell me it isn't so! To: "Steven L. Sheffield" <stevens@veloworks.com>, mmeison@scubadiving.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Reply-To: rena.cutrufelli@comcast.net

MC =Masi Carlsbad

Tell me it ain't so.

Mine says MC on the bottom bracket, Specifically...serial # MC54 D8328 But...it is a 1983 Masi GC. Tesch, former listmember who worked for Masi, told me he built my frame in 1983 San Marcos.He asked questions, saw the pics,asked about the Masi engravings on the chrome fork crown,the fork being oval new continentals, and I presume other tippoffs. We never discussed the GC in the serial number and as a newbie I was much too dumb to think of it.Is there something amiss here?Could Tesch have built it? Is it from Carlsbad?

Now I am easy going. I could readily accept that the MC stood for Mark Cutrufelli.That would make perfect sense. But now I don't know where my bike was made.

Help medic? Before me and my Masi have an identity crisis.I still have the EBAY pics and description if anyone could help.

Mark (Breakaleggo) Cutrufelli Laurel,MD

-----Original Message----- From: classicrendezvous-admin@bikelist.org [mailto:classicrendezvous-admin@bikelist.org]On Behalf Of Steven L. Sheffield Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 10:43 AM To: mmeison@scubadiving.com; classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Masi Question

MC signifies Masi Carlsbad.

-------- On Thu, 19 Sep 2002 08:30:21 -0400 (EDT) wrote:

I guess that this has been rehashed over and over but I can't find it in the archives. There is a 1974 Masi frame availiable on e-bay. http://ebay.com/<blah> While it isn't nearly my size nor am I related to the seller in any way I was curious about it. The seller states the serial number is 488, and the bottom bracket is stamped MC. Would this be a Mario Confente Masi or is the MC something completely different. Thanks in advance, Marty "I'm not buying it" Eison Dallas, Texas

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Message: 6 From: Mark Bulgier <mark@bulgier.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: RE: [CR]Viking Path and Oscar Egg lugs Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:10:05 -0700

Dale wrote:
> http://ebay.com/<blah>
>
> But what about that reference to Oscar Egg lugs? Are those?

Look like Nervex Legere to me. Like a simplified Pro. The sides look just like a 70s Motobecane Grand Record. For the flourish on the front of the head tube, go to http://www.classicrendezvous.com./France/Nervex_lugs.htm Scroll down to the Legere series, and look at the 5th one over, top row.

Also note "There were over 40 designs available in the Nervex Legere Series", so even if it isn't a perfect match, I think the familial resemblance is unmistakable

Mark Bulgier Seattle, Wa USA

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Message: 7 From: "Beyer Jr., Chris (C.C.)" <cbeyer2@volvocars.com> To: "'Jim Cole'" <jcole@memphis.edu>, Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: RE: [CR]Raleigh Hot Rod Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:47:24 -0400

Anyone wanting to attempt something similar? I have a 23" Raleigh Sprite frameset with passable original metallic red paintwork, free to the first volunteer, you pay shipping.

Mine came with 27" wheels, fwiw.

Chris

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-----Original Message----- From: Jim Cole [mailto:jcole@memphis.edu] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 10:21 AM To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Raleigh Hot Rod

I never went in for that customized hot rod look for classic road bikes and always preferred a more original look. I did notice a lowly Raleigh Sprite 5-speed that is highly customized and actually pretty cool looking on ebay:

http://ebay.com/<blah>

Lots of swanky British accessories and I like the down turned bars. Not exactly the treatment I would give a high end road bike, but definitely gave me some ideas for that run-of-the-mill British 3-speed, Raleigh Sprite, etc. that I run across.

Jim Cole Memphis, TN

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Message: 8 From: "Steven L. Sheffield" <stevens@veloworks.com> Date: 19 Sep 2002 10:07:10 MDT To: rena.cutrufelli@comcast.net, stevens@veloworks.com, mmeison@scubadiving.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: RE: [CR]Masi Carsbad vs San Marcos Question-tell me it isn't so!

Sorry ... my bad. Masi California.

-------- On Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:19:43 -0400 Mark wrote:

MC =Masi Carlsbad

Tell me it ain't so.

Mine says MC on the bottom bracket, Specifically...serial # MC54 D8328 But...it is a 1983 Masi GC. Tesch, former listmember who worked for Masi, told me he built my frame in 1983 San Marcos.He asked questions, saw the pics,asked about the Masi engravings on the chrome fork crown,the fork being oval new continentals, and I presume other tippoffs. We never discussed the GC in the serial number and as a newbie I was much too dumb to think of it.Is there something amiss here?Could Tesch have built it? Is it from Carlsbad?

Now I am easy going. I could readily accept that the MC stood for Mark Cutrufelli.That would make perfect sense. But now I don't know where my bike was made.

Help medic? Before me and my Masi have an identity crisis.I still have the EBAY pics and description if anyone could help.

Mark (Breakaleggo) Cutrufelli Laurel,MD

-----Original Message----- From: classicrendezvous-admin@bikelist.org [mailto:classicrendezvous-admin@bikelist.org]On Behalf Of Steven L. Sheffield Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 10:43 AM To: mmeison@scubadiving.com; classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Masi Question

MC signifies Masi Carlsbad.

-------- On Thu, 19 Sep 2002 08:30:21 -0400 (EDT) wrote:

I guess that this has been rehashed over and over but I can't find it in the archives. There is a 1974 Masi frame availiable on e-bay. http://ebay.com/<blah> While it isn't nearly my size nor am I related to the seller in any way I was curious about it. The seller states the serial number is 488, and the bottom bracket is stamped MC. Would this be a Mario Confente Masi or is the MC something completely different. Thanks in advance, Marty "I'm not buying it" Eison Dallas, Texas

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Message: 9 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:13:26 -0700 Subject: Re: [CR]Masi Carsbad vs San Marcos Question-tell me it isn't so! From: Greg Fletcher <greg@fletcher.net> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>

Masi expert and all-around good guy Brian Baylis points out last July that-

"At some point the "MC" was replaced with the "SMC" which does stand for San Marcos, CA. I think maybe around 1983 when Masi moved into a new building in San Marcos."

Greg Fletcher Foothill Ranch, CA

On 9/19/02 8:19 AM, "Mark" <rena.cutrufelli@comcast.net> wrote:
> MC =Masi Carlsbad
>
> Tell me it ain't so.
>
> Mine says MC on the bottom bracket, Specifically...serial # MC54 D8328
> But...it is a 1983 Masi GC. Tesch, former listmember who worked for Masi, told
> me he built my frame in 1983 San Marcos.He asked questions, saw the pics,asked
> about the Masi engravings on the chrome fork crown,the fork being oval new
> continentals, and I presume other tippoffs. We never discussed the GC in the
> serial number and as a newbie I was much too dumb to think of it.Is there
> something amiss here?Could Tesch have built it? Is it from Carlsbad?>
> Mark (Breakaleggo) Cutrufelli
> Laurel,MD

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Message: 10 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:29:11 -0700 From: Brian Baylis <rocklube@adnc.com> Reply-To: rocklube@adnc.com To: mmeison@scubadiving.com Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Masi Question

Marty,

The "MC" stands for Masi Carlsbad (or Masi Califorinia) and has nothing to do with Mario Confente. Mario did his part on this frame; one of 7 or eight people who worked together to build this bike. The frame probably did have a size stamped on it originally. It should be marked MC 61. It seems like I can see faintly a "5" under the paint?

Very nicely done repaint my a first class painter. In the past it didn't bother me to see Masis etc. with extra chrome and braze-ons added. Nowdays it has a different effect. I guess I'm a real live retrogrouch. As flashy and even practical as some of it is; it still doesn't feel right. But rest assured, the frame is the real deal, an early CA Masi with DuBois lugs and Fischer crown and BB shell. Should be a nice day rider; but it won't look like the factory original with period parts as it sits.

Brian Baylis La Mesa, CA
>
> I guess that this has been rehashed over and over
> but I can't find it in the archives.
> There is a 1974 Masi frame availiable on e-bay.
> http://ebay.com/<blah>
> While it isn't nearly my size nor am I related to
> the seller in any way I was curious about it.
> The seller states the serial number is 488, and the
> bottom bracket is stamped MC. Would this be a Mario Confente
> Masi or is the MC something completely different.
> Thanks in advance,
> Marty "I'm not buying it" Eison
> Dallas, Texas
>
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Message: 11 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:36:02 -0500 From: The Maaslands <TheMaaslands@comcast.net> To: Classic Rendezvous <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Pinarello frame sold on German Ebay

To those who are looking for a nice 80's frame or bike, it certainly seems to pay to look on Ebay in Germany. The following bike just sold there for less than $100. The frame includes the Campagnolo BB, headset and adjuster screws.

http://ebay.com/<blah>

The only hassle is shipping and getting the seller to accept to sell outside of Germany

Steven Maasland Moorestown, NJ

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Message: 12 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:55:29 -0700 From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> Reply-To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net To: Classic Rendezvous <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Pinarello frame sold on German Ebay

Steven Maasland wrote:
>
> To those who are looking for a nice 80's frame or bike, it certainly seems to pay to look on Ebay in Germany. The following bike just sold there for less than $100. The frame includes the Campagnolo BB, headset and adjuster screws.
>
> http://ebay.com/<blah>
>
> The only hassle is shipping and getting the seller to accept to sell outside of Germany

I think the seller "richard_hoffmann(64)" is Stefan Schaefter who has the wonderful web site: SPEEDBICYCLES http://SPEEDBICYCLES.COM

The archives on his site feature professional quality photos of many interesting bikes; highly recommended!!!

Incidentally, this and many other web site links are listed on the Links page of my web site.

Chuck Schmidt http://www.velo-retro.com (Links)

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Message: 13 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:48:19 -0700 From: Brian Baylis <rocklube@adnc.com> Reply-To: rocklube@adnc.com To: rena.cutrufelli@comcast.net Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Masi Carsbad vs San Marcos Question-tell me it isn't so!

Mark,

San Marcos and Carlsbad are very near one another. The original location was Carlsbad. The MC stayed with the markings until about 1984; even though the frames were actually built in Rancho Santa Fe and San Marcos for quite some time after the original location was relenquished in about 1978. Tesch built the frame you have in the fourth quarter of 1983, frame #28. That would be just before the change to the "SMC" in the serial numbers. Relax, the earth is not changing its' axis of rotation. Everything is in order.

Brian Baylis La Mesa, CA
>
> MC =Masi Carlsbad
>
> Tell me it ain't so.
>
> Mine says MC on the bottom bracket, Specifically...serial # MC54 D8328 But...it is a 1983 Masi GC. Tesch, former listmember who worked for Masi, told me he built my frame in 1983 San Marcos.He asked questions, saw the pics,asked about the Masi engravings on the chrome fork crown,the fork being oval new continentals, and I presume other tippoffs. We never discussed the GC in the serial number and as a newbie I was much too dumb to think of it.Is there something amiss here?Could Tesch have built
>
> Now I am easy going. I could readily accept that the MC stood for Mark Cutrufelli.That would make perfect sense. But now I don't know where my bike was made.
>
> Help medic? Before me and my Masi have an identity crisis.I still have the EBAY pics and description if anyone could help.
>
> Mark (Breakaleggo) Cutrufelli
> Laurel,MD
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: classicrendezvous-admin@bikelist.org
> [mailto:classicrendezvous-admin@bikelist.org]On Behalf Of Steven L.
> Sheffield
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 10:43 AM
> To: mmeison@scubadiving.com; classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Masi Question
>
> MC signifies Masi Carlsbad.
>
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> On
> Thu, 19 Sep 2002 08:30:21 -0400 (EDT) wrote:
>
> I guess that this has been rehashed over and over
> but I can't find it in the archives.
> There is a 1974 Masi frame availiable on e-bay.
> http://ebay.com/<blah>
> While it isn't nearly my size nor am I related to
> the seller in any way I was curious about it.
> The seller states the serial number is 488, and the
> bottom bracket is stamped MC. Would this be a Mario Confente
> Masi or is the MC something completely different.
> Thanks in advance,
> Marty "I'm not buying it" Eison
> Dallas, Texas
>
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Message: 14 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:57:20 -0500 From: The Maaslands <TheMaaslands@comcast.net> Subject: R: [CR]Every Bikes and Ian Cammish To: Classic Rendezvous <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>

Scott,

I figure that you got yourself a very interesting bike. It is the type of bike that is however very difficult to sell, showing more quirkiness than value. The KL tubing was very light-weight tubing that was hardly ever used. This in itself, makes the bike quite special. The seatstays and fork crown are also both very unique and are worthy of interest.

The rear mounted front brake is pure folly in my eyes as the front wheel cannot be turned for sharp corners. This makes the bike solely viable for straight time trials or courses where you only turn left. Given that the former owner lived in Indiana, this wouldn't have been too terribly bad if he went for a ride in Indianapolis. I would be intrigued to know how the front brake is attached. Is the brake centre bolt brazed on or does it simply go through the rear part of the fork crown only?

Sorry, I have no information regarding Every or Ian Cammish

Steven Maasland
Moorestown, NJ

>
>
> HI
> I just rechecked an early 1980s Every time trail from ebay
> http://ebay.com/<blah>
>
> Does anyone have any information on Every bikes, I could not find anything at
> CR main?
>
> The bike was advertised to be an old Ian Cammish bike? Do any list member
> remember him, could this be one of his old bikes?
>
> The bike is made with KL Columbus tubing, Seat post that came with the bike
> is 27.2 mm and had a piece of shim stock, around base, To help the seat tube
> compression on seat post. Does KL tubing have an odd I.D.? With a pair of
> plastic dial calipers the seat tube measurers approx. 27.5 mm?
>
> The bike over all is really neat, The front brake is on the trailing edge of
> fork!
>
> Thanks
>
> Scott Violetta
> Fowlerville, MI
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Message: 15 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:18:36 -0500 From: The Maaslands <TheMaaslands@comcast.net> To: Classic Rendezvous <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Campagnolo Large Flange rear Track Hub

Another interesting offering in Germany:

http://ebay.com/<blah>

A Campagnolo large flange rear track hub, with lock nut! It still has a few days to go, but at $10 it may be a steal.

Steven Maasland Moorestown, NJ

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Message: 16 From: Mark Bulgier <mark@bulgier.net> To: Classic Rendezvous <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: RE: [CR]Every Bikes and Ian Cammish Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:51:06 -0700

Interesting indeed!

http://ebay.com/<blah>

Steven Maasland wrote:
> The rear mounted front brake is pure folly in my eyes as the
> front wheel cannot be turned for sharp corners.

Ah but it can, and has been! Note the tape on the downtube with the gash in it, and note also that the brake is actually bent from having been so turned. ;)

The apparent lack of fork rake should make this a very stable bike for going straight, but it won't be very eager to turn. Not what most of us would like in road manners but good in a straight-line TT bike.

The auction description says Hi-E hubs but I'll bet a gross of Twizzlers that those are Weyless, not Hi-E.

The crank bolts are probably Arnold Industries, aluminum alloy, don't use 'em to crank down the cranks - use a steel bolt for that, then remove it and install the alloy for riding.

Looks like a Saba crown that has been sculpted. I like Saba crowns, especially for bikes with short-point lugs; they are so tiny.

Mark Bulgier Seattle, Wa USA

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Message: 17 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 19:17:07 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?michael=20butler?= <pariscycles@yahoo.co.uk> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Ian Cammish

Ian Cammish the all time British time trialling great.In 1989 he won the British Best All- Rounder competion for the ninth time setting a record that is unlikely to be beaten.Nine BBAR titles in 10 seasons. The competition is held over three distances 50 mile, 100 mile and 12 hours and your three fastest times over the T.T season are averaged together to give your average speed over the three distances.Cammish bowed out of the BBAR in 1989 having surpassed the previous total of 5 all-rounder titles set by Phil Griffiths.Ian was the first man to ride an open 50 at more than 30mph yet he had never beaten 50 minutes for 25 miles, he smashed his own 100 record by 6-46 with a 3-31-53 and went on to win the 1983 BBAR with an average of 27.355mph. He really was the superstar of British time trialling probably his best ride was to lower the100 record to 3-16-56 an average of 30.5mph.

Mick Butler

Be lucky Mick B.

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Message: 18 From: PBridge130@aol.com Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:28:14 EDT To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Re: Pinarello frame sold on German Ebay

"The only hassle is shipping and getting the seller to accept to sell outside of Germany"

Unfortunately, most often, that proves to be too much of a hassle. I speak pretty good German, so communications aren't a problem, but sellers are reluctant to take on the trouble, and they also quote substantial shipping charges, e.g. Euro350 for a bike to the States.

Peter Bridge Denver Colorado

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Message: 19 From: "John Pergolizzi" <jtperry@worldnet.att.net> To: <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]V R Group Rates: The Sad Story Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:31:23 -0400