> Just to support what Hilary has already said,
> many of these 30's frames were ridden with
> short stems and long seatposts... Friends,
It's probably also worth noting how the seats were mounted, at least if the Baxter "Star" photo is indicative of how most bikes were set up in that era:
http://www.flying-scot.co.uk/hamilton.html That is, the seat is mounted far forward of the seat post, in the opposite manner of how we would do it today. That serves to shorten the "effective length" of the top tube. So at first I thought that the top tube on the Bates was outrageously long but now I would have to reconsider.
Fred Rednor - Arlington, Virginia