Re: [CR]Peugeots other than PX-10s

Example: Production Builders:LeJeune

From: "Charles T. Young" <youngc@NetReach.Net>
To: "Bill Bryant" <>, "David Bilenkey" <>, "Classicrendezvous" <>
References: <>
Subject: Re: [CR]Peugeots other than PX-10s
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 12:53:12 -0400

Bill: Very close on the equipment. The FD was a Simplex Prestige but the RD was a Simplex Criterium. The Criterium, with the metal plates on the sides of the body, was a distinct improvement over the Prestige.

I have a PDF of a catalog that, in addition to the above, indicates the following components:

Ideale 80 49D with 54 x 45 Freewheel = 14 x 15 x 17 x 19 x 24 Mavic rims on Normandy high flange hubs Lyotard 36 pedals

I have one and it is a nice ride. I can email the catalog cut to those interested.


Charles T. Young
Honeybrook. PA

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bryant"
To: "David Bilenkey" ; "Classicrendezvous"

<> Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [CR]Peugeots other than PX-10s

> As the seller stated, this sounds very much like a PR-10 to me. Back when
> the earth was young, my shop sold 'em by the truckload to buyers (mostly
> college students on a budget) who wouldn't pop an extra $50 for the price of
> a PX-10.
> Normally I recall they had:
> Mafac Racer brakes w/ white plastic levers
> Ideale leather saddle
> Lyotard alloy-caged pedals
> Simplex Prestige f & r shifters & steel levers
> Stronglight 49 cranks; usually 40/52
> Normandy HF hubs
> AVA sew up rims & some cheesy tires
> Thick black plastic bar tape
> Some cheesy AVA bar & stem combo
> Sedis chain and Atom 14-28 5 sp. freewheel
> Overall, the level of quality of the parts was so-so, befitting its price
> level. (The PX-10 had better quality parts in most instances, but the
> PR-10's stuff was still a higher level than the UO-8s had.) The frame itself
> was rough but serviceable-- the lugwork and alignment was clearly rushed.
> Had 531 main tubes so it rode okay compared to lower-priced models. Not a
> bad bike overall, but certainly not a thoroughbred either. It was very much
> for folks who could not afford a top of the line bike. If you rode a lot,
> the parts quickly wore out and were soon upgraded. I reconfigured quite a
> few of them by taping/grinding the right rear Simplex dropout to mount a
> Campagnolo or Shimano derailleur after the owners grew frustrated with the
> Simplex shifters.
> The vast majority of the ones we sold were white with the front lugs painted
> black, but I also recall red, blue and black also being offered a few years
> in the '70s. I think the importer brought in the white ones the most because
> they looked most like the more prestigious PX-10.
> I had a blue PR-10 as a "beater" for winter training around 1974-77 and did
> quite a few miles on it. I also put on a rack and rode from California to
> Baltimore during the summer of 1976 with two other local riders. We did the
> 3100 miles in 31 days. My PR-10, a 60cm, had 175mm Dura Ace cranks and Campy
> pedals since they normally all came with 170mm Stronglights no matter how
> tall the frame was and the crappy Lytard pedals sucked. I took it because my
> other bikes had Campy cranks with 42t inner chainrings but the Shimanos had
> a 38t. I wanted a lower gear for hauling the sleeping bag/extra clothes,
> plus the longer wheelbase was good for long daily mileages. I also put Super
> Champion M-58 rims and Schwinn Le Tour clincher tires on it too since a long
> tour on sew-ups wasn't such a great plan as my companions discovered. (I'd
> also ridden my all-Campy P-13 Paramount 4200 miles to Boston on sew-ups in
> 1972-- no source of re-supply out in the hinterlands back then, and
> repairing them at night by the campfire wasn't too much fun either.) On the
> '76 trip on the PR-10 I do recall having some blisters on my butt from the
> Ideale saddle rivets (I then realized why some Brooks models came with the
> big hammered rivets) and that the knobby oversized adjusters on the white
> plastic Mafac brake levers caused blisters in the web of the hand between
> the thumb and forefinger despite wearing gloves. But it all turned out well
> overall; had no other problems on a memorable ride.
> Bill Bryant
> Santa Cruz, CA
> on 9/6/02 6:56 PM, David Bilenkey at wrote:
> > Wondering if the Peugeotphiles on the list have any info about models of
> > Peugeots other than the venerable PX-10. I picked up a neat little deal
> > yesterday ($40 CDN) that will likely become a fixed gear ride for me, but
> > I'm curious to divine a bit more about what it is and what componentry it
> > would have had on it.
> >
> > Details: White frame and fork, black lugs, not Nervex Pro, Main tubes 531
> > DB. Fork half chrome with a chrome top of the crown. No braze-ons except the
> > rear derailleur cable stop. Plate on the bottom of the BB shell has the
> > serial # 2384977. Long simplex DOs without adjuster screws. Lots of small
> > scratches and a bit dirty but good.
> >
> > Componentry: Lots of parts have been 'upgraded' so what's original and what
> > isn't is my guess.
> > Original: 49D cranks and rings (53/48!), Stronglight HS and BB. Simplex
> > Prestige delrin rear derailleur (seems to have a 72 stamped in the back of
> > the pulley cage). Lyotard pedals. AVA stem (the death stem I assume) and
> > unmarked alloy bars (are these AVAs as well?)
> > New: SR Laprade seatpost, Vetta saddle, Weinmann sidepulls, Shimano Titilus
> > FD, and 600 shifters.
> >
> > The seller called it a PR-10E(?) and I'm guessing it's from about '72. Is
> > this correct?
> >
> > Does anyone have any info they can share? Pics or component lists?
> >
> > Any insight appreciated.
> >
> > David Bilenkey
> > Ottawa, Ontario, Canada