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From: <olyoop@attbi.com>
To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 23:21:52 +0000
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Here's a message that quotes another message that I never saw in the original. Someone asked about this phenomena; it's happening to me too.

Anyway, I'd like to respond briefly to the following:

Johan Ericson wrote:

...The debate thickened when someone asked the following - If a vintage boat buff at one point find the boat "X" that has a almost good hull but

the deck, interior and everything else is shot. He uses most of the hull

and build everything else up to original standard with the right materials and methods. The boat is his pride and joy. 20 years later someone else finds the parts that he rejected and during the 20 years the opinion of what is usable has changed. Guy 2 says "Hey I found the boat "X" (not knowing of the first guy) and builds a new hull with some of the wood from the original and restores all of the other parts.

Who has the boat "X"? From what year is it?

Change all the maritim words to the bike world and think about it. Maybe

a bike rode by Coppi or Merckx?

The only instance in sailing vessels that springs to mind is the strange case of the US Warship Constitution. Originally built in the 1780s, it was heavily rebuilt--and, it is now know, reconfigured--in the civil war era. Historians have argued ever since what remains of the original, and if a vessel so changed in form and substance can lay claim to the original build date.

The scenario Johan describes above happens regularly in collector cars, however. I don't have my magazines in front of me, but recently at least two expensive cars going to auction--an Aston Martin DB2 or 3, and a Ferrari (a Testa Rossa?)--were challenged by owners of another car of the same type, with the same serial number. It's an understandable phenomena: race cars get smashed up a lot, and their remaining bits still have value. And a Testa Rossa is worth a lot more than the cost of building up a whole car around a crumpled fender. In one case, a collector bought the second car claiming the same serial number in order to avoid any problems.

Anyone curious for details is welcome to contact me offline.

Kris Green Sunny but smoggy Tacoma WA (Is this what happens when it doesn't rain for almost a whole week? Who knew?)