Re: [CR]CR list time-period limits

(Example: Framebuilders:Jack Taylor)

From: Jerry & Liz Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
To: <chasds@mindspring.com>, "Brandon Ives" <monkeylad@mac.com>
References: <4F20D742-3D6C-11D7-B012-00039356BD92@mac.com>
Subject: Re: [CR]CR list time-period limits
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 11:15:40 -0600
cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

Fortunately, Dale has been pretty flexible with the cutoff date. My 1986 Peugeot PZ-10 is technically outside the cutoff, but he posted the photos on the CR site. And Rivendell, Sachs, Baylis, Bohemian, Bates, Cooper, Mercian, etc. are all most definitely accepted, even if built last month. It's really about the style and spirit of the bike, but since it is impossible to define a rule in those terms, I think the real rule is before 1983 plus anything else Dale deems acceptable. Works for me.

Regards,

Jerry Moos
Houston, TX


----- Original Message -----
From: Brandon Ives
To: chasds@mindspring.com
Cc: oroboyz@aol.com
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: [CR]CR list time-period limits



> On Monday, February 10, 2003, at 09:36 PM, chasds@mindspring.com wrote:
> > There were many fine classic bikes, by any standard, made between
> > 1980 and 1984...
>
> I think it might have more to do with the explosion of mountain bikes
> and the decline of the lightweight and not really the death of friction
> shifting of non-aero cable routing. Also you've got to remember index
> shifting actually came before friction shifting. Personally I think
> the list should stop at about 1970 and the US bicycle boom. I think
> bike quality plummeted to bring the numbers of bikes up to fill sales.
> Beyond that anything in the 70s or after is really contemporary not
> really "classic." A majority of the list talks about bikes of the 70s
> and 80s because that's when most of the list became associated with
> cycling. It's a nostalgia thing not a quality thing. Of course this
> is coming from someone who started cycling in the bike boom but wasn't
> a teenager until 1982. So what do I know, except that dale is right
> when he say's everybody has different ideas about the "cut-off date."
> ciao,
> Brandon"monkeyman"Ives
> SB, CA