aw, what the hell. i'll add a datapoint to this thread. the earliest Ross Signatures had my initials. wait. that's not what i meant to say. the earliest Ross Signatures had the complete set of Eisho lost wax "Racer" lugs and bb shell that concurrently were known as the Nagasawa lugs n' bb shell. righteous, brother! the fork crowns were bitchin', too. them there were some bad?ss looking frames. e-RICHIE Richard Sachs Cycles No.9, North Main Street Chester, CT 06412 USA http://www.richardsachs.com Tel. 860.526.2059