Yes, some one will pull out the dictionary. It is not a nuanced meaning of "archetype," it is a common misunderstanding of the meaning. According to the OED, Jung's archetype is a phenomenon of the collective unconscious. Though it is a familiar unconscious error to associate the first or most commonplace in in one's own country with the first and most commonplace everywhere, I hope that we are working on the conscious level, trying to comprehend the history of fancy lugs. Bruce is entirely correct, an archetype is "The original pattern or model from which copies are made; a prototype." There is no difference in meaning between original, first, or prototype, but some differences between Dolly Parton and Halle Berry are richly descriptive of Hetchins and Hobbs. Alas, the splayed points of the lugs on my Bates remind me of Dr. Seuss.
Chris Barbour Boston, Mass.
-----Original Message----- From: Thomas Rawson [mailto:twrawson@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 11:06 AM To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org; brucerobbins@supanet.com Subject: [CR]Hobbs, Hetchins, First and Archetype
Hi Bruce, I guess since you confuse Dolly Parton, Halle Berry, Hobbs and Hetchins you can be forgiven.......
No doubt someone will pull out a dictionary and read us a definition, but I stand by my comment that archetype has nuanced meaning different from original, first or prototype. In fact I would suggest that each of those words are different from the other.
I prefer to use archetype as would say C.G. Jung in the Collected Works - but we drift.......
Tom Rawson
Oakland, CA