[CR]RE: TA ref:104 chainwheels

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From: "Steve Clark" <steve@sjscycles.com>
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Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 17:08:12 +0100
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Subject: [CR]RE: TA ref:104 chainwheels

Hi there! Just adding some old TA rings to our in inventory,little confused with identifing one item,have veiwed Joel Mertzs'excellent TA site but still confused! We have some ref:104 rings in orginal packing which is marked with "104",my problem is that these rings have coutersunk bolt holes and squared taps,are outer rings,where as on Joels' site "104" rings are listed as not having counter-sunk bolt holes....anybody help?? Also check out our web-site:http://www.sjscycles.com for obsolite classic TA rings which I have recently sourced.

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Today's Topics:

1. Mafac Racer "lux" (Dale B. Phelps) 2. Simplex Lucien Juy ? (John Price) 3. FS: Rene Herse and other Japanese books (Jan Heine) 4. RE:Duegi shoe fit (Silver, Mordecai) 5. RE: FS: Rene Herse and other Japanese books (John Price) 6. New Cycling Museum In Italy (Angel M Garcia) 7. Re: Simplex Lucien Juy ? (David Goerndt) 8. RE: Simplex Lucien Juy ? (John Price) 9. Re: Cinelli head badge question 10. Help: specs to calculate spoke length for Normandy Luxe Competitions (Doug Van Cleve) 11. Re: Cinelli stem badge question 12. Re: Simplex Lucien Juy ? (bikenut) 13. Strawberry Cyclesport (Richard M Sachs) 14. Re: Help: specs to calculate spoke length for Normandy Luxe Competitions (Steve Maas) 15. Re: New Cycling Museum In Italy (Steve Maas) 16. Someone got a good deal on a Pogliaghi... (David Bilenkey) 17. foil decals, Pogliaghis (jack bissell) 18. Re: Strawberry Cyclesport 19. Going away from list (temporarily) (Johan Ericson)

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Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 12:19:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dale B. Phelps" <losgatos@ix.netcom.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Mafac Racer "lux" Message-ID: <6894483.1050002351471.JavaMail.nobody@huey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1

If memory serves, the "lux" had some goofy little quick release on one end of the straddle cable? Or was in where one end of the straddle cable hooks up? I dunno really, I didn't ride Mafacs back then and am only now trying to get saavy on them since I want to run Mafacs on a 60's bike I'm building.

--best,

dp

Dale B. Phelps Los Gatos California U.S.A. ------------------------------

Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:24:15 -0600 From: John Price <jprice@2-10.com> To: "'classicrendezvous@bikelist.org'" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Simplex Lucien Juy ? Message-ID: <F12301951A4BB0439CF1C023AB499BB523AAF3@prexchange.hbw.local> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 2

Hope this hasn't been hashed about before (yeah, yeah I should probably check the archives) but what does the Lucien Juy stand for/mean ? Is this someone's name ? A famous racer ? Founder of Simplex ?

Just curious,

John Price Denver CO ------------------------------

Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:07:03 -0700 From: Jan Heine <heine@mindspring.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]FS: Rene Herse and other Japanese books Message-ID: <a05010402babb8a56c24f@[69.3.70.236]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 3

Just a quick note: I will place another order for New Cycling's Ren=E9 Herse book from Japan, if I can get 10 or so people interested. So far, I have 3...

Price is $ 94 (including translation of 3 chapters) plus $ 5 s&h per order

Also available is "Special Made Cycles Review" for $ 43, which includes many photos of the various Japanese custom bikes, from =46rench-style Toei to ultramodern whoknowswhat, with a few Herse and Singer, plus Italian beauties (De Rosa, etc.) thrown in for good measure. 1 page per bike, about 150 pages, mostly B&W (but unfortunately not quite as sharp as the stunning Herse book), so you get about 150 amazing, cool, desirable, or just plain weird bikes.

Also available are hardback reprints of "Le Monde de Daniel Rebour" (3 books, on very nice paper, but unfortunately uncoated, thus the drawings don't reproduce quite as crisp as one would like). The reprint of "Le Monde de Daniel Rebour" available from Chuck Schmidt is vol. 1. These are about $ 45 each.

Let me know if interested.

(My recommendation: The Herse book is a must if this type of stuff interests you. The Special Made Cycles Review is very cool, too. The Rebour books are like the Data Book - without explanations, it is hard to figure out what is what, and the image quality isn't so great that it is worth it for the drawings alone.)

Jan Heine, Seattle

P. S.: For those not familiar with the Herse book book: The book has three parts: The first shows on 111 pages, about 54 Ren=E9 Herse bikes in gorgeous color photos, spanning the the mid-1940s to the 1970s, including several tandems and a triplet. Each bike is shown in a large side view and 5-6 smaller detail photos.

The second part is a reprint of all four catalogs Ren=E9 Herse produced: 1950s, 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s. The former three are full of Rebour drawings, the latter is photos.

=46inally, on 137 pages, there are articles (in Japanese, but I had three chapters translated) on Ren=E9 Herse, construction methods, etc., with numerous B&W photos. The photos illustrate the construction methods and are extremely interesting - if you wonder how an Herse stem is made, you will find out.

It is a stunning production, glossy paper, perfect photo reproduction, the works. ------------------------------

Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 17:12:19 -0400 From: "Silver, Mordecai" <MSilver@iso.com> To: <kctommy@msn.com> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: RE:[CR]Duegi shoe fit Message-ID: <773FCCCDD7698245881983051782789132EEC6@isomailp3.iso.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 4

Tom Adams wrote:

"I'm looking at a pair of wooden soled Duegis that are at least close to my size. How did these shoes fit in general? How do they compare to Diadoras (my best point of reference)? What sort or shape of foot was most compatible with the wooden soles? This may have been discussed before, but I currently don't have access to the archives. Thanks!"

Take a look at http://www.businesscycles.com/trshoe.htm http://www.businesscycles.com/trshoe.htm . There is a sizing chart for Duegis.

Mordecai Silver

NYC, NY

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Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:15:56 -0600 From: John Price <jprice@2-10.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: RE: [CR]FS: Rene Herse and other Japanese books Message-ID: <F12301951A4BB0439CF1C023AB499BB523AAF9@prexchange.hbw.local> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 5

Let me just echo Jan's comments on the Rene Herse book - a great book = if you are at all interested in these classic French bikes. The price is a = bit high but to me it was worth it. Fascinating stuff - I spent (and still = do) hours studying the various pictures. Reading the translations...

John Price Denver CO

-----Original Message----- From: Jan Heine [mailto:heine@mindspring.com] Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 3:07 PM To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]FS: Rene Herse and other Japanese books

Just a quick note: I will place another order for New Cycling's Ren=E9=20 Herse book from Japan, if I can get 10 or so people interested. So=20 far, I have 3...

Price is $ 94 (including translation of 3 chapters) plus $ 5 s&h per = order

Also available is "Special Made Cycles Review" for $ 43, which=20 includes many photos of the various Japanese custom bikes, from=20 French-style Toei to ultramodern whoknowswhat, with a few Herse and=20 Singer, plus Italian beauties (De Rosa, etc.) thrown in for good=20 measure. 1 page per bike, about 150 pages, mostly B&W (but=20 unfortunately not quite as sharp as the stunning Herse book), so you=20 get about 150 amazing, cool, desirable, or just plain weird bikes.

Also available are hardback reprints of "Le Monde de Daniel Rebour"=20 (3 books, on very nice paper, but unfortunately uncoated, thus the=20 drawings don't reproduce quite as crisp as one would like). The=20 reprint of "Le Monde de Daniel Rebour" available from Chuck Schmidt=20 is vol. 1. These are about $ 45 each.

Let me know if interested.

(My recommendation: The Herse book is a must if this type of stuff=20 interests you. The Special Made Cycles Review is very cool, too. The=20 Rebour books are like the Data Book - without explanations, it is=20 hard to figure out what is what, and the image quality isn't so great=20 that it is worth it for the drawings alone.)

Jan Heine, Seattle

P. S.: For those not familiar with the Herse book book: The book has three parts: The first shows on 111 pages, about 54 Ren=E9 =

Herse bikes in gorgeous color photos, spanning the the mid-1940s to=20 the 1970s, including several tandems and a triplet. Each bike is=20 shown in a large side view and 5-6 smaller detail photos.

The second part is a reprint of all four catalogs Ren=E9 Herse=20 produced: 1950s, 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s. The former three are full=20 of Rebour drawings, the latter is photos.

Finally, on 137 pages, there are articles (in Japanese, but I had=20 three chapters translated) on Ren=E9 Herse, construction methods, etc., =

with numerous B&W photos. The photos illustrate the construction=20 methods and are extremely interesting - if you wonder how an Herse=20 stem is made, you will find out.

It is a stunning production, glossy paper, perfect photo=20 reproduction, the works. _______________________________________________

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Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 17:19:28 -0400 From: "Angel M Garcia" <wa2vuy@mindspring.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]New Cycling Museum In Italy Message-ID: <015501c2ffa6$e0da6ba0$0000a398@DXROOM> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 6

Article (in Italian) on what is claimed to be the opening of the largest = cycling museum in Europe: = http://www.espressonline.it/ESW_articolo/0,2393,41381,00.html

Angel Garcia Long Valley, NJ

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Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 17:28:27 -0400 From: "David Goerndt" <davidg@iag.net> To: "John Price" <jprice@2-10.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Simplex Lucien Juy ? Message-ID: <001101c2ffa8$20cf4b80$7ce6fea9@LEONARDO> References: <F12301951A4BB0439CF1C023AB499BB523AAF3@prexchange.hbw.local> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7

: [CR]Simplex Lucien Juy ?


> Hope this hasn't been hashed about before (yeah, yeah I should
> probably check the archives) but what does the Lucien Juy stand
> for/mean ? Is this someone's name ? A famous racer ? Founder of
> Simplex ?
>
> Just curious,
>
> John Price
> Denver CO

John,

I believe it's the name of the inventor.

David Goerndt Orlando, FL (where winter came back today!!)

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Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:34:50 -0600 From: John Price <jprice@2-10.com> To: 'David Goerndt' <davidg@iag.net>, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: RE: [CR]Simplex Lucien Juy ? Message-ID: <F12301951A4BB0439CF1C023AB499BB523AAFF@prexchange.hbw.local> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 8

Thanks, I've been told it was the founder's name. A bit of trivia to tuck away for future use to amaze my friends (yeah, right).

John Price Denver CO

-----Original Message----- From: David Goerndt [mailto:davidg@iag.net] Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 3:28 PM To: John Price; classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Simplex Lucien Juy ?

: [CR]Simplex Lucien Juy ?


> Hope this hasn't been hashed about before (yeah, yeah I should
> probably check the archives) but what does the Lucien Juy stand
> for/mean ? Is this someone's name ? A famous racer ? Founder of
> Simplex ?
>
> Just curious,
>
> John Price
> Denver CO

John,

I believe it's the name of the inventor.

David Goerndt Orlando, FL (where winter came back today!!)

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Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 19:44:01 EDT From: FedMaritime@aol.com To: OROBOYZ@aol.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR] Cinelli head badge question Message-ID: <2b.3d3c3439.2bc75bc1@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9

Okay, I'll stick my neck out.... The badge is smaller that the headbadge -- no question. But is this a track stem? I thought so, but have been advised to the contrary by others on the list. Cinelli made three distinct versions of the stem pictured - with different angles. I've been advised that only the most extreme of the angles can really be called a true track stem: the others are road versions. Does anyone have evidence (i.e.: a catalogue) which might provide authority for this position? I am curious, as I have three of these stems -- all in the middle angle. One is badged (purchased from Hilary as a track stem), the

others are very nice but lack the badge. I use one as a track stem with a nice set of steel Cinelli track bars. Caveat - I am not questioning Hilary's description of the item. I do think that there are reasonable men differing in their opinions about Cinelli track stems. So essentially I'm looking for authoritative clarification.

Regards,

Carlo Carr NOLA

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Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:46:59 -0700 From: "Doug Van Cleve" <d.vancleve@cox.net> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Help: specs to calculate spoke length for Normandy Luxe Competitions Message-ID: <JHEPJNFGOMOFOGNJFGNIMECHCJAA.d.vancleve@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10

Howdy folks.

I am fixin' to build some tubular wheels around Normandy L-C high flange rear and low flange front hubs for my old but post-CR vintage RB-2. I use Damon Rinard's Spocalc to get my spoke lengths and these hubs are not in there. Does anybody know all the needed dimensions for these? I have done the measuring myself with a metric tape measure before and it seems to work okay, but I thought I would see if these specs are out there somewhere...

Thanks, Doug

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Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 20:40:05 EDT From: NortonMarg@aol.com To: FedMaritime@aol.com, OROBOYZ@aol.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR] Cinelli stem badge question Message-ID: <127.26eded41.2bc768e5@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11

In a message dated 4/10/03 4:44:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, FedMaritime@aol.com writes:


> Cinelli made three distinct versions of the stem pictured - with
> different angles. I've been advised that only the most extreme of the
> angles
> can really be called a true track stem: the others are road versions. Does
> anyone have evidence (i.e.: a catalogue)

According to the Ron Kitching catalogue (i'm going to paraphrase): Model 1 Road - Standard type available in plain design or with attractive CINELLI name badge on extension. Plain stem available in sizes 6 - 14 cms. Badged stem sizes 7 - 14cms. 72 degree angle.

Model 2 track - As No.1 but sloping downwards at 65 degrees, available with or without CINELLI badge.

Model 3 Sprint - As model 2 but with 58 degree angle.

Model 4 - Stayer

Model 1/A Dural

Stevan Thomas Alameda, CA

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Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 18:27:04 -0700 From: "bikenut" <bikenut@gte.net> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Simplex Lucien Juy ? Message-ID: <005b01c2ffc9$7628f420$00153c04@dslverizon.net> References: <F12301951A4BB0439CF1C023AB499BB523AAF3@prexchange.hbw.local> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 12

Lucien Juy was the founder and force behind Simplex. I believe=20 he got started in the late 1920's....my impression was that he was more a marketing man rather that the mad scientist/inventor=20 type. Perhaps Simplex had 2 golden era's....all the early work that culminated with the 543 and Juy Record 60 rear derailleurs=20 and the LJ 23 front. The came delrin.....good for duPont sales but not for derailleurs. Forward thinking but with poor execution. Out of the ashes came retrofriction shifters and the Prestige/ Super LJ and so on....Alive in 1979 but gone in the 1980's.

Matthew 'Strictly from bad memory' Gorski Belmont Shorplex, CA

<snip> Subject: [CR]Simplex Lucien Juy ?=20


> Hope this hasn't been hashed about before (yeah, yeah I should = probably
> check the archives) but what does the Lucien Juy stand for/mean ? Is
> = this
> someone's name ? A famous racer ? Founder of Simplex ? =20 =20
> Just curious,
>=20
> John Price
> Denver CO=20
> _______________________________________________

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Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 22:01:12 -0400 From: Richard M Sachs <richardsachs@juno.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Strawberry Cyclesport Message-ID: <20030410.220112.208.3.richardsachs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13

Andy recently updated his site. I always thought he was without peer with regard to presentation; he's got style! His early brochures and printed pieces are legendary. The site is worth a tour: http://www.strawberrybicycle.com/

e-RICHIE Richard Sachs Cycles No.9, North Main Street Chester, CT 06412 USA http://www.richardsachs.com Tel. 860.526.2059 ------------------------------

Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 19:18:29 -0700 From: Steve Maas <smaas@nonlintec.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Help: specs to calculate spoke length for Normandy Luxe Competitions Message-ID: <3E9625F5.4000508@nonlintec.com> References: <JHEPJNFGOMOFOGNJFGNIMECHCJAA.d.vancleve@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 14

Doug:

Your measurements are far more reliable than the "standard" data. The manufacturers' specs are often wrong, and the info in Renard's database sometimes differs from the manufacturers' data (when you can get it, I mean!)

Finally, there are some details you probably should work out for yourself. For example: the spoke length from the equations puts the end of the spoke at the "effective rim diameter," whatever that is. The diameter in the mfr specs, and what you want, my be two different things; it depends on the spoke-nipple dimensions, which depend in turn on the spokes you use. For example, I calculate the spoke length to give

me the most room for error, which means that the nipple is centered between its minimum and maximum positions as it is threaded onto the spoke. For DT spokes, this puts the spoke end about 1.2-1.5 mm below the

top of the nipple head. For other spokes this may be different.

This sounds like a fine detail, but even ~1 mm error can result in spoke

threads showing or the spoke protruding from the nipple. You really don't want a protruding spoke with older bikes, since the nipples may not be recessed, and contact the tube.

Steve Maas (working too much and riding too little in) Long Beach, California.

Doug Van Cleve wrote:
> Howdy folks.
>
> I am fixin' to build some tubular wheels around Normandy L-C high flange
> rear and low flange front hubs for my old but post-CR vintage RB-2. I use
> Damon Rinard's Spocalc to get my spoke lengths and these hubs are not in
> there. Does anybody know all the needed dimensions for these? I have done
> the measuring myself with a metric tape measure before and it seems to work
> okay, but I thought I would see if these specs are out there somewhere...
>
> Thanks, Doug
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> .
>
>

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Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 19:25:33 -0700 From: Steve Maas <smaas@nonlintec.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]New Cycling Museum In Italy Message-ID: <3E96279D.2050204@nonlintec.com> References: <015501c2ffa6$e0da6ba0$0000a398@DXROOM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 15

On the same subject, how about some recommendations of good bicycle collections in museums in both the US and elsewhere around the world? Any good collections of modern lightweights?

I'll begin: the bicycle section of the Deutsches Museum in Munich is pretty nice, with a lot of Draisines and penny-farthings. Not many latter-day lightweights, though.

In the past, the Franklin Institute in Philadelphia had a very good collection, but I don't know if those bikes are still on display.

And, of course, the Smithsonian...

Steve Maas Long Beach, California

Angel M Garcia wrote:
> Article (in Italian) on what is claimed to be the opening of the largest cycling museum in Europe: http://www.espressonline.it/ESW_articolo/0,2393,41381,00.html
>
> Angel Garcia
> Long Valley, NJ
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> .
>
>

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Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 22:28:16 -0400 From: "David Bilenkey" <dbilenkey@sympatico.ca> To: "Classicrendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Someone got a good deal on a Pogliaghi... Message-ID: <HBECIOPCNPKEJLCJBKNKKEJHFNAA.dbilenkey@sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: dbilenkey@sympatico.ca Message: 16

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3602654975

Anyone else think this was a good deal? Or is this Pog not noteworthy? Comments?

David Bilenkey Industrial Designer Ottawa, Ontario, Canada dbilenkey@sympatico.ca

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Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 21:34:37 -0700 From: jack bissell <jack_bissell@mac.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]foil decals, Pogliaghis Message-ID: <E6ECFFD0-6BD6-11D7-9C62-000393004AFC@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 17

Mark and all-

I've heard of this mylar process for for foil decals but never tried it.

The decals are genuine on my Pogliaghi. http://www.mookietwoh.com/pogi1.html thanks to Jim's stash and also a person who bought them personally from Sante in 1969. The remainder of this decal bonanza is going on that 60s Pog resto in progress. <http://classicrendezvous.com/Italy/Pogliaghi_7206.htm>" which is cirque-bound I've heard! Wish I was too.

-Jack Bissell POLE-lyah-gee, home of the 10.1" bottom bracket height Arizona

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Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 03:08:24 EDT From: Tonythreerings@aol.com To: richardsachs@juno.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Strawberry Cyclesport Message-ID: <20.eba80f2.2bc7c3e8@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 18

FYI, I was the winning (only) bidder for the Strawberry on ebay last week, and looking forward to riding it--but I got a call from Ben's Bikes telling me that while they were packing it, they discovered a crack on the (wishbone) seatstay. No Strawberry for me. Aaron Lipstadt Hollywood

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Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 09:28:47 +0200 From: "Johan Ericson" <johan.ericson@logicoffice.se> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Going away from list (temporarily) Message-ID: <F1B73E6CCDE5E34BA28738D5F7568A070EA2A1@gcmainsrv.internal.logicoffice.s e> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 19

Hello List =20 I am switching job so I will be disconected from the list and of course my current e-mail adress will not work. Will be back in circa a month.=20 =20 Regards Johan Ericson Stockholm, Sweden ------------------------------

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