[CR]help with naming a Campi crank?

(Example: Framebuilders:Tony Beek)

Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 16:37:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Dave Abraham" <dave@hokiespokes.com>
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Subject: [CR]help with naming a Campi crank?

it's 160mm (I think)

http://members.aol.com/zebay/z/444.jpg

TIA,

D.


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> 1. ISO Rossin decals (James "Giacomo" Bellora)
> 2. victims of campy marketing (Donald Gillies)
> 3. NOS Gios on ebay (Grant McLean)
> 4. RE: victims of campy marketing (David Bilenkey)
> 5. 4 Hole Record Front Derailleur (eBay item: 2175518347)
> 6. Now: Campagnolo bashing Was: victims of campy marketing
> (Chuck Schmidt)
> 7. Re: victims of campy marketing????
> 8. Re: Now: Campagnolo bashing Was: victims of campy marketing
> (Mara & Steven Maasland)
> 9. Fwd: [CR]ISO Rossin decals (James "Giacomo" Bellora)
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> Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 08:20:57 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "James \"Giacomo\" Bellora" <bellovelo@yahoo.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]ISO Rossin decals
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> Mi amici,
> A shot in the dark for a racing team buddy who just had an old steel
> Rossin repainted and couldn't find any Rossin decals for it. Any ideas
> on where one could find some, even reproductions?
>
> Giacomo, FCVA
> just did a 2-hour fixie ride on my '70's Coppi (39x16) and 'sono
> destruto'!!!
>
>
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> Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:25:08 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Donald Gillies <gillies@cs.ubc.ca>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]victims of campy marketing
> Message-ID: <200305201625.JAA08125@cascade.cs.ubc.ca>
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> Some on this list seem overly influenced by the "spell" of campagnolo
> marketing nimrods. Does it really affect the performance or
> race-worthiness of a bicycle to have inferior hoods that crack
> quickly, cost a fortune, and say "Campagnolo" with the world logo on
> them ?? Would asian or period swiss or generic no-name or newer-campy
> hoods really harm the mojo all that much ?? this is the sort of thing
> that gives campy a reputation for snob appeal ...
>
> as my dad used to say, "a man on a galloping horse wouldn't know the
> difference!"
>
> why is it that when simplex puts out a piece of junk (prestige
> derailleurs) people scream and rip them off the bike and throw them in
> the trash bin. when campy puts out a piece of junk (world logo hoods)
> there is a severe shortage and the items sell for $72 on ebay (most
> recent price paid) ???
>
> - Don Gillies
> San Diego, CA
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:49:30 -0400
> From: Grant McLean <Grant.McLean@SportingLife.ca>
> To: "Classic Rendezvous Mail List (E-mail)"
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]NOS Gios on ebay
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> Note the late generation "script logo" brakes...
>
> http://ebay.com/<blah>
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>
> Grant McLean
> Toronto.Ca
>
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> Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:56:00 -0400
> From: "David Bilenkey" <dbilenkey@sympatico.ca>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: RE: [CR]victims of campy marketing
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> To a collector, an item that breaks easily, wears out quickly or is
> consumable is, by it's very nature, in high demand for someone who
> believes that these 'correct' parts are the most authentic way to kit
> out the bike. They command high prices specifically because the parts do
> not last and supply is finite. How high the demand and how short the
> supply is one thing that determines what exorbitant prices you'll see.
>
> World Logo hoods are not junk when compared to what else was out there
> when these hoods were in production. Universal gum hoods are far more
> 'bio-degradable' IMHO.
>
> David Bilenkey
> Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org
>> [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org]On Behalf Of Donald
>> Gillies
>> Sent: May 20, 2003 12:25 PM
>> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>> Subject: [CR]victims of campy marketing
>>
>>
>> Some on this list seem overly influenced by the "spell" of campagnolo
>> marketing nimrods. Does it really affect the performance or
>> race-worthiness of a bicycle to have inferior hoods that crack
>> quickly, cost a fortune, and say "Campagnolo" with the world logo on
>> them ?? Would asian or period swiss or generic no-name or newer-campy
>> hoods really harm the mojo all that much ?? this is the sort of thing
>> that gives campy a reputation for snob appeal ...
>>
>> as my dad used to say, "a man on a galloping horse wouldn't know the
>> difference!"
>>
>> why is it that when simplex puts out a piece of junk (prestige
>> derailleurs) people scream and rip them off the bike and throw them in
>> the trash bin. when campy puts out a piece of junk (world logo hoods)
>> there is a severe shortage and the items sell for $72 on ebay (most
>> recent price paid) ???
>>
>> - Don Gillies
>> San Diego, CA
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 13:30:52 EDT
> From: GRIFFKS@aol.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]4 Hole Record Front Derailleur (eBay item: 2175518347)
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> ........if it's of interest to any members I've put a band on Campag.
> Record= =20
> front mech from the late 70's on eBay (item: 2175518347) it's the model
> with= =20
> the 4 hole shift cage and the clamp band is the straight narrow one,
> althoug= h=20
> not boxed it is in unmarked and new condition. I believe these to be
> quite r= are=20
> so hopefully the bids will reflect this, I'm testing the demand on this
> by=20 putting it on eBay first but would welcome any comments or
> feedback as I may= =20
> sell for less if it doesn't reach its reserve of =A360.00
> regards
> Griff King-Spooner (London UK)
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 10:41:25 -0700
> From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Now: Campagnolo bashing Was: victims of campy marketing
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> Donald Gillies wrote:
>>
> (cut)
>> why is it that when simplex puts out a piece of junk (prestige
>> derailleurs) people scream and rip them off the bike and throw them in
>> the trash bin. when campy puts out a piece of junk (world logo
>> hoods)...
>
>
> I'm puzzled: virtually all brands of brake hoods made in the seventies
> and before were latex rubber and rotted as all rubber does. It was
> assumed that you would replace latex rubber brake hoods on a regular
> basis. Why single out Campagnolo?
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> L.A.
>
> .
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 13:47:09 EDT
> From: OROBOYZ@aol.com
> To: gillies@cs.ubc.ca, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR] victims of campy marketing????
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> In a message dated 5/20/2003 12:25:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> gillies@cs.ubc.ca writes:
>
> << Some on this list seem overly influenced by the "spell" of campagnolo
> marketing nimrods. Does it really affect the performance or
> race-worthiness of a bicycle to have inferior hoods that crack
> quickly, cost a fortune, and say "Campagnolo" with the world logo on
> them ?? Would asian or period swiss or generic no-name or newer-campy
> hoods really harm the mojo all that much ?? this is the sort of thing
> that gives campy a reputation for snob appeal ...
>
> as my dad used to say, "a man on a galloping horse wouldn't know the
> difference!"
>
> why is it that when simplex puts out a piece of junk (prestige
> derailleurs) people scream and rip them off the bike and throw them in
> the trash bin. when campy puts out a piece of junk (world logo hoods)
> there is a severe shortage and the items sell for $72 on ebay (most
> recent price paid) ???
> >>
>
> Hmmm. Slow down there a bit.. I have to add my two cents here.
>
> Many folks are perfectly content to have other suitable (fit wise) hoods
> to replace their Campag hoods. That's the first I have heard of the
> period Swiss hoods! Send me a set!! Newer Campy hoods do not fit
> SR/NR/GS.
>
> These items wear out and are expected to be replaced like brake pads,
> tires, bearings. Campy hoods were not inferior. They held up just as
> well as any rubber hoods of the time. (OK, maybe Modolos do a little
> better) But there also is nothing wrong with a good chunk of folks
> wanting to maintain their bikes as original as possible. To each his
> own.. This has nothing to do with performance.. Is this forum about
> performance?
>
> It is a shame that Campagnolo does not see the benefits of supplying
> hoods & brake pads to support the old stuff. Maybe the Vintage push of
> the Tour de France will start a new awareness of the value of tradition
> and the enhancement of a Trademark...
>
> FWIW, Campy's reputation was not based upon snobbery but general
> superiority.
> They were far from perfect but vastly better in many/most components
> than
> their competitors. Their early marketing was by getting racers to test
> their products in hard use. There was no more hype or hyperbole than
> competitors.
>
> As far a Simplex being thrown in the trash, we had better go dive in
> there fast as we saw recently that the most expensive rear derailleur
> of all time was a... Simplex!!
>
> Dale Brown
> cycles de ORO, Inc.
> 1410 Mill Street
> Greensboro, North Carolina
> USA 27408
> 336-274-5959
> Fax 336-274-6360
> <A HREF="http://www.cyclesdeoro.com">cyclesdeORO.com</A>
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> Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 14:02:52 -0400
> From: Mara & Steven Maasland <TheMaaslands@comcast.net>
> To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Now: Campagnolo bashing Was: victims of campy marketing
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>> Donald Gillies wrote:
>> >
>> (cut)
>> > why is it that when simplex puts out a piece of junk (prestige
>> derailleurs) people scream and rip them off the bike and throw
>> them in
>> > the trash bin. when campy puts out a piece of junk (world logo
>> hoods)...
>
> to which Chuck responded:
>
>> I'm puzzled: virtually all brands of brake hoods made in the
>> seventiesand before were latex rubber and rotted as all rubber
>> does. It was
>> assumed that you would replace latex rubber brake hoods on a regular
>> basis. Why single out Campagnolo?
>
> The earliest brake lever hoods, as made by the patentholders Vittoria
> were actually made with almost pure parabutylene (natural rubber).
> These Vittoria lever hoods did indeed last longer than almost all
> subsequent lever hoods. Apart from the Vittoria ones, Campagnolo hoods
> were indeed just as durable as any other hood that had the same shock-
> absorbing capabilities at the same time.
>
> Steven Maasland
> Moorestown, NJ
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:50:49 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "James \"Giacomo\" Bellora" <bellovelo@yahoo.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Fwd: [CR]ISO Rossin decals
> Message-ID: <20030520185049.58897.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com>
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> Mi dispiace (I'm sorry), my byline was perhaps obtuse....
>
> FCVA = Falls Church. VA USA
>
> "James \"Giacomo\" Bellora" <bellovelo@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 08:20:57 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "James \"Giacomo\" Bellora"
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]ISO Rossin decals
>
> Mi amici,
> A shot in the dark for a racing team buddy who just had an old steel
> Rossin repainted and couldn't find any Rossin decals for it. Any ideas
> on where one could find some, even reproductions?
>
> Giacomo, FCVA
> just did a 2-hour fixie ride on my '70's Coppi (39x16) and 'sono
> destruto'!!!
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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> The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
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