Re: [CR]Paris-Sport

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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 11:10:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [CR]Paris-Sport
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I have a Paris Sport that has the usual period mix of "Campy NR except the brakes" (Universal Super 68's). The rear derailluer is marked Pat. 72. I purchased the bike in approximately 1980 at the Ridgewood, NJ Cycle Shop.

I spoke with Mike Fraysee approximately 2 years ago, who confirmed that my Paris-Sport is an Orero frame. The words "H France" are pressed into the top of the seat stays. I asked M. Fraysse about this and he indicated that it was an abreviation for Himonese (sp?) France, a place that had some connection to Ramon Orero, although I forget what he stated the connection was. Maybe someone here knows?

Stephen (Long time lurker, very rare poster) Cannavale Caldwell, New Jersey

Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 10:09:48 -0400 From: Joe Bender-Zanoni <joebz@optonline.net> To: leland@freeyourneck.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Paris-Sport Message-ID: <002701c33fda$6f5ea580$6400a8c0@jfbender> References: <000401c33fd2$0106c9d0$196efea9@e4n1c> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: list Message: 14

The Argentinean would have been Ramon Orero, a great builder of bikes under his own name. Looking at the the pictures on the CR website the chainstays have a shape that says Orero to me. Who built what at Paris Sport probably changed by the month so its all a guess. I could probably tell an Orero if I held it in my hand. He had a very distinctive line on all the finishing touches- quite refined.

My wife's Orero is very fine indeed and I have seen some even better examples.


----- Original Message -----
From: Leland Vall
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 9:09 AM
Subject: [CR]Paris-Sport



> Somehow I started to thinking about my bike and the place I bought it in
> 1982. It's a Vigorelli by Paris-Sport and I've never seen another like
> it--until I went to your website and there was the exact bike, same color
> and decals, although mine doesn't look like that anymore. However it is
> still equipped with almost the same mix of Campy Nuevo Record/Shimano Durra
> Ace that I had in those days.
>
> I think I met the builder and I thought he was Argentinean because I was
> wearing an Argentina World Cup shirt and he loved it. Argentina had
> recently won the World Cup. He might have also just been a guy in the
> workshop. I new that Cuevas worked there but I didn't think my bike was
> their top model so I didn't think that he made it. I saw bikes that had
> triangular cut-outs where the frame tubes met the dropouts and someone told
> me they were by Cuevas. Vic sold me the bike and I think I picked mine out
> before it was painted.
> ---------------------------------------
>
> Leland Vall
> Certified Alexander Instructor
> Manhattan and Queens
> (917) 239-6313
> http://www.freeyourneck.com