Re: [CR] Re Claud on eBay with Bi-lam lugs

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Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 07:42:09 +0100
Subject: Re: [CR] Re Claud on eBay with Bi-lam lugs
From: "Bob Reid" <flying_scot@btopenworld.com>
To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
In-Reply-To: <BB4F07C0.1913C%hilary.stone@blueyonder.co.uk>


My tuppence / two cents worth on the Claud frame and the comments of the last few days....

- Those lugs and the bracket shell appear to be the Ekla brand 'Continental' model. These seem to have been more common in the pre-war era than post. ( see http://www.flying-scot.co.uk/frame_images/scot_1930sf.jpg ) Having said that, I often come across frames do you see built in the "shortage" years (1945-1949) appear to have been built, using up pre-war stocks / materials ? Interestingly these Ekla lugs appear to have been the basis of the lugs used on many of Singers (or was it Herse Jan ?) albeit much modified.

- The earliest Nervex pro lugs I've come across have been on frames later than 1949, leading you to assume that they were introduced at that date. The only difference being the shape of the front tang on the head lugs - either looking like two small sharp teeth in one style, or the end of a snakes tongue in the other.

- Although the frame is now clearly from 1949, there's no reason to assume it wasn't sold new as late as 1951 as Jim's frame was. - See my notes relating to Flying Scot's - http://www.flying-scot.co.uk/frame_notes.html though they apply equally well I suppose to any other lightweight marque.

- The use of bronze as opposed to brass for brazing appears to have hit the UK lightweight scene big time in the mid 30's - a method Harry Rensch at Paris claims he saw in France in 1935, and introduced in 1936 as the first builder in the UK on his own machines...

- I'm interested Jim in how you can tell the bracket shell was made from five separate parts - not out of any argumentative rason, just curiosity. The bracket shell appears the same as supplied in the Ekla set along with the lugs.

Bob Reid Stonehaven Scotland


> I have only just spotted the new pictures of the frame prior to being
> unwrapped - with the frame number clearly written 972641 - this indeed
> confirms that this frame was built in July 1949. Now however it is time for
> me to eat humble pie, I have just reread my 1949 catalogue carefully - the
> model with the 'Continental' lugs that year was indeed the World's
> Championship Path Model No 24 - the lugs used obviously changed for the
> 1951 season.
>
> Hilary Stone, Bristol, England