Re: [CR]Cyclotourist

<Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [CR]Cyclotourist

> Thanks, Peter. The 52-38 combo is one I've alway liked on doubles, probably
> because it is about alll a short cage RD will handle with a 26 or 28T large
> cog on the rear (a Simplex Crtierium or SLJ handles this better than a Campy
> NR). The ability to use a 52-38 is one reason I've always liked Stronglight
> and Zeus better than Campy NR/SR.Since I'm now in Houston, which is pretty
> flat, I'm relactant to go to a smaller outside ring. The 28T ring is
> intended as a granny, that will only be used on hills not encountered in the
> immediate Houston area. Would it do any good at all to go to a 32T inner,
> or is reducing the gap between middle and outer the only way to improve
> things?
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
> Houston, TX
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Jon White" <lists@PeterWhiteCycles.com>
> To: "jerrymoos" <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>; <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 6:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [CR]Cyclotourist
>
>
> > The FD is to high to shift from the 28 to the 38. Its height is determined
> > by the 52 tooth outer ring and that forces it too far from the 38 to be
> > effective. Either change the outer to a 48 or change the middle to a 42
> and
> > you should be fine.
> >
> > The inner plate of the FD just doesn't drop down far enough to control the
> > chain from the 28 to the 38. It's not the fault of the TA crank. It's the
> > choice of chainring sizes that's the problem.
> >
> > Peter Jon White
> > Peter White Cycles
> > 24 Hall Rd.
> > Hillsborough, NH 03244
> > 603 478 0900 Phone
> > 603 478 0902 Phax
> > http://www.PeterWhiteCycles.com
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "jerrymoos" <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
> > To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 7:00 PM
> > Subject: [CR]Cyclotourist
> >
> >
> > > I've just gotten my new Bates frame built up sufficiently to road test
> > > (still need to install racks, mudguards, etc.). This is the first bike
> > I've
> > > actually built up with a triple (finally conceding to age). I've used a
> > TA
> > > Cyclotourist triple 52-38-28, Campy Rally RD, Simplex SLJ Triple FR, and
> > > Sachs Aris 13-28 6-speed FW. Even with the long-cage Rally, when I
> > shorten
> > > the chain enough to just keep it from going slack on the 28x13, it is
> very
> > > difficult to shift onto the 28T rear cog when on the 52T chainring. More
> > > annoying, although shifting down to a smaller chainring works smoothly,
> > and
> > > shifting between the 52 and 38 in either direction is no problem, it
> seems
> > > completely impossible to upshift from the 28T chainring to the 38T
> middle
> > > ring. I always wind up having to shift from the 28 all the way up to
> the
> > > 52, then down to the 38. Normally, I'd try to toe out the back end of
> the
> > > FR to try to lift the chain a little better off the small ring, but one
> > > cannot do this except to a tiny extent, due the the Cyclotourist
> > crankarm's
> > > infamous lack of FR clearance, i.e. if you toe out the back of the FR,
> it
> > > will hit the crankarm when on the large ring. It was exactly this
> feature
> > > of the Cyclotourist that caused TA to lose their early dominance in
> > mountain
> > > bikes to the Japanese.
> > >
> > > Am I doing something wrong, or is this just an inherent limitation of
> the
> > > Cyclotourist/ Simplex SLJ combo? Anyone have a guess how large a small
> > > chain ring I'd have to go to to shift smoothly (or at least shift) up to
> > the
> > > 38T middle?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Jerry Moos
> > > Houston, TX