Sheldon, You've hit the perfect word. I shall call them jumpers from now on. For those of you in Southern England in the Spring, Amberley Working Museum holds its Veteran Cycle Day on Sunday 27th April. There should be over 150 cycles from boneshakers through Penny Farthings and Victorian tricycles to safety bicycles. The youngest will be post WW2 lightweights and I can guarantee, Sheldon, that there will be some jumpers and quite a lot of tin cans which I believe you also like. There is even a new boxed ASC in the window of the little cycle shop. Don't ask! Not for sale! The museum is near Arundel in West Sussex. Stuart Tallack in Sussex