[CR]Flying Scot dropouts & Mystery frame...

Two questions for the list ;

Firstly - Can anyone on the list identify the manufacturer / model of the dropouts, and also wether the lugs on the frame are just another variant of the Prugnat long point, used on this 1967 Flying Scot ?

http://www.flying-scot.co.uk/frame_132n.html (mapped) (0r access the gallery via the web site at http://www.flying-scot.co.uk (mapped) and look for frame 132 N under the 1960's)

Lastly - This is perhaps a "Scot" pretender. This bike was being put about as a Flying Scot however quite a few of the "signature" details don't fit anything I've seen before. For example the wrapround seat stay bevel (or whatever you call it, is longer than the typical Scot frame. The lugs, whilst a variant of Nervex pro, are far less thinned down at the edges than typical. There is one possibility. The company closed in the mid 80's, and the local bike retailer who bought the name & trademark, had Falk tubed frames built to be sold as Scot's. These were rumoured, as with Giradengo, to be have been built in an Italian Prison Workshop. They subsequently turned out to be somewhat short in the 'quality' department and ended up being sold under a "Caribbe" label as winter training frames. Anyone have any ideas, or if not a Scot, what manufacturer might have produced them originally ? Hilary, any experience of off-the-peg bare frames sold to bike shops in the 1980's for shop branding ?

http://www.flying-scot.co.uk/frame_77.html (mapped) (0r access the gallery via the web site at http://www.flying-scot.co.uk (mapped) and look for frame 77 at the bottom of the page)

Any help would be much appreciated.

Bob Reid
Sunny Stonehaven
Scotland.