After purposely sitting this whole discussion out on the sidelines, I think that the seller's accusations of Brian are such that they deserve clarification. I have therefore sent an email to Cristiano De Rosa (Ugo's son in charge of all marketing and sales!) to ask for him to say whetehr or not it really is a De Rosa or not. My personal gut feeling is that it is not one of their bikes, but who knows apart from the De Rosa family themselves!
Steven
>
> One word, mon ami: Lithium.
> "Itsamall.com" <7440@lvcm.com> wrote:Luck is for the illprepared. I know
the exact history on the bike finally
> and I will not post it to keep the 3`s low. Trust me not only did the bike
> get made in Italy but it also has a 1 week race history behind it. It is
for
> sure a De Rosa. I saw the bullshit that lug grinder stated. I would go
after
> a Liebel suite but he is to broke to waste time on. The only thing he has
> done is cause Bike weenies to fall for his bullshit. he is not the know
all
> end all of cycling knowledge trust me. the guy thats selling the bike
along
> with many others is friends with many of the old timers in the busiless.
> Phil Wood, Harlan Hi E the old Crew at Moots etc.
>
> Maybe its a matter of you trust a bum I trust a guy that knew these people
> from the industry from back when they were getting in to it. This is a
> matter of trust. I personaly hope to receive this bike through a second
> purchase. I have put out a blanket offer to several bidders to purchase
the
> bike if they win. This may shock your crew but the De rosa is not a Myth
Its
> just another bike. Its a Pinerralo, a moots, hell a Fondise. Or in other
> words after you take away the hype its a bike. You have made the mistake
of
> buying the hype. So be it I am selling the Hype and just as guilty as you
> and the others.
>
> I took a few years away from the business and came back a couple years
ago.
> It used to be OMG its a new De rosa OMG its a new Peugeot carbon. EEEWWW
> Kestrel made another carbon frame and look at the EMS fork and God know I
> was so Oh wow you have a Klein over a Cannondale.
>
> Afetr stepping back I came back I jumped on a jamis that was a little big
I
> borrowed from a team rider I rode it for a weekend and said wow I want a
> Jamis to the rider. He said sure I can hook that right up which model do
you
> want? I said this one. he said its a curtlow ( or how ever its spelled) I
> said cool whats retail he said about $1,200 I was fine with that. Then he
> said you are not getting it are you? I told him yes you are going to walk
> over to the phone and order it after you fit me for it. He said No I raced
> jamis and I did not like their early frames Its a Curtlow. I decaled it
for
> racing on the team. At the end of the season the next year Jamis had an
> aluminum all the team went to them and his curtlow became a curtlow again.
>
> We all buy the hype. Look at Cannondale and Klien and lets make the look a
> little sharper take on an aluminum custom Joe Breeze and a decent
Taiwanese
> made frame again aluminum from there. Build them the same and ride them.
> They are all basicly that same bike when you get down to it. Its still
> someones case of old beer cans recycled.
>
> Hype is what drives this business. If hype did nt drive this business then
> Ferarri would nor be able to sell an average Carbon bike for $7,000 in
> boutiques. Klein would sell for the same as Cannondale. And Tektro brakes
> would sell for as much as Shimano with out having their names added by
which
> ever company they were contracted for.
>
> Basicly when the hype is taken away its a fun sport where lawyers,
thievfes,
> and school kids can compete and education means nothing. Its all about who
> has the biggest lungs and the most fast twitch muscles.
>
> I am sure I will hear about this. I am sure it will be reposted in the
Bike
> weenie email group. Its fine I understand killing innocent people is not
as
> important as people that did not have have money growing up so they do not
> understand the fact that companies made custom bikes to order. God knows
> Paramount did it. And they were as production Hell More so then most
> companies of this same time.
>
>
> I am sure it will get talked about the fact we admit to selling the hype.
So
> heres what you do go look in the mirror and say am I buying the hype. Well
> if you see De Rosa as any better then a Olmo then trust me you are. I have
> ridden both and yes they are nice but Hell I am sure they shared the same
> brazers since look at Giant. They make over 3 million bikes a year now and
> most do not say Giant but we all say i would rather have a Schwinn over a
> Giant or a Nishiki But all 3 are the same just differnt Decals.
>
> Thanks, Neal
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To: <7440@lvcm.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 6:53 AM
> Subject: Question for seller -- Item #1986667734
>
>
> > snip: "Due to a Jerk in San Diego named Brian Bayles from Masi we had to
> take these extra pics to show that no named no information having bike
> weenie that not only is this a De Rosa but also he should not be shooting
> his mouth off about Ebay, Ebay dealers and De Rosa in general since he has
> no clue what he is talking about."
> >
> > Ummm, at the risk of suffering your cyber wrath, I must say that it is
> neither appropriate nor accurate to say that Brian is a jerk or that he
"has
> no clue what he is talking about." Serious players in the bike business
> know who Brian is and know that he is extremely knowledgeable,
particularly
> regarding matters of hand-built steel frames and especially those from
> companies like DeRosa, Masi, Colnago... Being reasonably well informed on
> Italian race bikes myself, I would concur with Brian's assessment. This
> bike looks nothing like a DeRosa. Engraving on the crown and caps does
> nothing to change my opinion on this. I have no idea why anyone would take
> the trouble to engrave frame parts in this way, other than to deceive. I
am
> NOT suggesting that you had any part of this deception, but rather that
you
> have been mislead. On the other hand, this frame may be some sort of
> licensed model that DeRosa had fabricated by an outside contractor, much
as
> Masi and other makers have!
> > done. Still, I'd be very surprised if this were the case. To my
> knowledge, all Deroas, even the new Ti and Aluminum models are build in
the
> Derosa facility.
> >
> > When you are selling esoteric bike equipment, it is best to avoid terms
> like "bike weenie" since that discriptor applies to your entire market.
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
> > Tom
> > --------------------
> >
> >
> > Question from: btex2
> > Title of item: De Rosa Campagnolo Timetrial Triathlon bike
> > Seller: http://www.itsamall.com
> > Starts: Jan-02-03 08:27:20 PST
> > Ends: Jan-09-03 08:27:20 PST
> > Price: Currently $202.50
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> >
> >
> >
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