The Maaslands wrote:
>
> Joe wrote:
>
> >
> http://ebay.com/
> > >
> > > In this size I think this will go to Japan. It's also one more
> > > data point on
> > > the serial numbers. While it can't be a 1950, I think it is clear that
> my
> > > sequential serial number theory is hogwash.
> > >
> > > Just when I think E-bay is drying up- lots of nice stuff when I looked
> > > today. A set of the Campagnolo pedals with toe loops and the <C>
> markings
> > > only found on Raleighs.
>
> to which David opined:
>
> > Actually let me revise that estimate. Looking at the serial # database as
> it
> > stands and attempting to plot it out (allowing a bit of variance to try
> and
> > get a straight line) I'd say this bike is from 1963.
>
> after first stating:
> > >
> > > I think this bike is from around 1965. I've asked the seller if
> > > there's # on
> > > the back of the crankarms that might help in the dating.
> > >
> > > I also think that the concept of Frejus using sequential serial numbers
> is
> > > still sound. What we see when we look at the numbers is muddled
> > > by too many
> > > years and too many owners (for the most part) and given the
> > > variance in when
> > > a bike left the factory and when it made it into the first owners hand I
> > > think if we plotted a graph we'd see approximate correlation, but
> > > we'd never
> > > get anything too exact.
>
> Personally, I think this bike may even be older than that. It strikes me as
> odd that they would continue to celebrate the 1950 tour de France instead of
> newer races where they had triumphed. I believe this bike might actually be
> from the late 50's. I seriously doubt that Frejus would continue to use Gran
> Sport on a top of the line bike once the record group came out.
>
> I have no factual basis for these statements, just a hunch and would love to
> be contradicted by anybody have some facts.
>
> Steven Maasland
> Moorestown, NJ
I'm with David on this one (his dating is 1963). I have an identical TdF Frejus from the original owner who bought his from Gene Portusi (of Cyclo-pedia fame) in Detroit in 1962/63.
Chuck Schmidt SoPas, SoCal
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