[CR]Was mildly odd Campagnolo brake calipers, Now BrakesetAuthenticity

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From: "Angel M Garcia" <wa2vuy@mindspring.com>
To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Subject: [CR]Was mildly odd Campagnolo brake calipers, Now BrakesetAuthenticity
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 08:22:04 -0500


My 1970 Cinelli was purchased as a completely built-up bike, all Campagnolo, including Campagnolo brakes. This bike was purchased in Germany at Bruegelmann's. I have confirmed, with the original owner, that the brakes were not swapped out.

I am new to ":vintage" cycling but I am beginning to form an impression that different frames, colors, spec'd components, were available for Cinelli depending upon whom they were built for. The 1972 yellow Cinelli I have appears to be a special model/color that could be custom ordered through Bruegelmann's. It would be interesting to learn if Cupertino, Kopp's (in Princeton,NJ), and other dealers, had differences between the bikes they ordered in order for them to differentiate their offerings.

Angel Garcia
Long Valley, NJ


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Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 3:20 AM
Subject: [CR]Was mildly odd Campagnolo brake calipers, Now


BrakesetAuthenticity


> Hello-
> All this talk of the non-super record "super record" brakes brings up a
> brakeset authenticity issue that I have not seen discussed on CR list before.
> What I am referring to is the rather common, yet hardly ever acknowledged
> custom of (mostly) Italian manufacturers equipping a bike with full Campy NR
> or SR OEM grouppo save the brakeset.
> Here are some examples that come to mind:
> 1969, 70, 71, 72(maybe) Cinelli SC complete NR except Universal Super 68s.
> 1973, 74(maybe) Mondia complete NR except for Dura Ace brakeset.
> 1971, 72, 73, 74(maybe) Schwinn Paramount, NR except Weinmann C-pulls.
> 1977 (maybe others) Colnago Supers w/SR except Modolo Master Pro brakes
> 1981, 82 (maybe) Rossin w/SR except for Galli Criterium brakeset.
> 1980ish Ciocc Compezzione(sp?) w/SR except Modolo Kronos brakeset.
> Please pardon me if I my vintages are off by a year or two. Any way you
> get the point. I don't know how many early 1970 Cinelli and Mondia I have
> seen that have had their brakeset switched out to Campy. There's a good
> chance that several people on this list even have this switch-out on their
> bikes.
> I whole-heartedly agree with our group's ethos of originality and
> authenticity. This brakeset issue seems to have dropped below our radar. Why
> is it even important? Authenticity of a bike is its Spirit, its mojo, its
> "sexiness", its bloodline.
> I believe the folks at Cinelli and Colnago spec'd out their bikes with
> non-campy brakes for conscious and well though out reasons. Whether it was
> economic or based on astrology or whatever; its the bike's Authenticity.
> Obviously, companies like Colnago and Rossin could have easily spec'd
> Campy SR brakes,,,,,,,but they didn't. To be honest, I don't believe their
> reasons for doing this matters a whole lot. I mean who am I, let alone who
> are we, to tell Ernie C. which way he should have dressed out his bikes in
> the late 70s?
> Long live authentic uniqueness. Long live not blindly going along with
> the pack. Long live non-campy OEM brakesets and their mojo! OK, thats my rant
> for the month. Cheers,
> Dave Anderson
> Cut Bank MT