> if someone tried to make a pedal and wheel touch at > most riding speeds, the turn would toss them o'er > the bends before the tire collision. Larry and friends, The above is so true - but the important part to consider is the phrase "_most_ riding speeds". Sometimes you just have to go very slowly. For example, where I live (in Arlington, just a couple of miles from D.C.) there are some generally great places to ride which unfortunately are connected by very short bits of what can only be described as "urban, asphalt singletrack". So for a few moments per ride, you _must_ negotiate a corner at very slow speeds while steering the fork at relatively extreme angles. (I suppose you could also walk for 2 minutes.) If you're aware of the overlap it's not a problem. At least it hasn't been for me. But if you don't know what to expect, I imagine you could get into trouble. On the other hand, you're also going slowly enough that you shouldn't get hurt (too much). Anyway, the tandem that started this discussion has a lot more overlap than any bike I've ever seen on a bike from the classic period, including my LeJeune tandem which may have been built in the same facility. Beyond that, I'm still convinced the frame was designed for 165mm cranks. Amitiés, Fred Rednor - Arlington, Virginia