Re: [CR]Brooks Pro Select saddle, anyone know?

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:43:05 -0400
Subject: Re: [CR]Brooks Pro Select saddle, anyone know?
From: "Fredrick Yavorsky" <fred@twistcomm.com>
To: Larry Osborn <losborn2@wvu.edu>, "classicrendezvous@bikelist.org" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
In-Reply-To: <4.0.1.20031022125046.01212100@gwpop.wvu.edu>


I posted a few more photos of the Brooks Pro Select. Has the allen tensioner in front and vent holes on top. Date code stamped 8-79. See: http://www.twistcomm.com/Bikes/66_Paramount/BrooksProSelect/index.html Click on the thumbnails for an enlargement.

Fred "vented and tensioned" Yavorsky Jenkintown, PA

on 10/22/03 2:40 PM, Larry Osborn at losborn2@wvu.edu wrote:
> Greetings campers and Proofhide addicts
>
> Just writing to comfirm that my Select does NOT have an allen tensioner. I
> have no idea where that leaves us, other than to conclude that apparently
> the association with Raleigh goes deeper than we might have feared. All
> specifications subject to change based on the whims of the guy on the
> production line.
>
> Larry "in a no-whim situation" Osborn
> uphill from Bruceton Mills WV,
>
>
> At 09:16 AM 10/22/03 -0400, you wrote:
>> Dear Larry Osborne. and CR list,
>> I confirm Chuck Schmidt's. astute observation of the allen nose tensioner
> and the
>> the vent holes (three) on the top of the Brooks Pro Select saddle on my
> two Brooks
>> Pro Select saddles made in 1979 and 1980.
>> All these years and I never noticed the allen tensioner on that first Brooks
>> saddle I bought.
>> I've never had to adjust it......the saddle is resting in the basement
> awaiting a
>> chance to be reborn when I restore one of my project bicycles.
>> Thanks to Chuck for his many contributions to the list and to Larry "O"
> for his
>> help with a Raleigh bicycle I have, that I needed to determine its model
> year.
>> Yours truly,
>> Martin Walsh in Vienna,Va.
>>
>>
>> Larry Osborn wrote:
>>
>>> And this just in
>>>> From deep in my personal e-archives:
>>>
>>> At 1:05 PM -0700 6/17/00, I recently acquired a Brooks Professional
>>> "Select" which
>>>> were originally made for the Raleigh Racing Team and for a short time,
> maybe
>>>> 1 1/2 years in '79 and '80, Brooks offered the identical saddle to the
>>>> public but stopped because of the cost of materials and labor involved
>>>> (this, according to Elaine O'Donnell, Brooks Sales Dept).
>>>
>>> Lost track of who the original poster and other responders were.
>>> I didn't say it was a complete archive. Just deep.
>>>
>>> But I don't remember holes or allen head tensioner on my Select.
>>> Now I'll have to look in the physical archives. That box is buried REALLY
>>> deep.
>>>
>>> Larry "non-allen head, but plenty of holes in it" Osborn
>>> Morgantown WV
>>>
>>> At 01:24 PM 10/19/03 -0700, you wrote:
>>>>> From the archives at http://search.bikelist.org:
>>>>
>>>> Archive-URL:
>>>
> http://search.bikelist.org/getmsg.asp?Filename=classicrendezvous.10206.0652.
>>> eml
>>>> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:00:28 -0700
>>>> From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [CR]Brooks Pro was Question for the Stronglight fans
>>>>
>>>> Eric Elman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know what model crankset that is but while you're looking at the
>>>>> pictures, what kind of saddle is that? I haven't seen a Brooks Pro
> or Team
>>>>> Pro (big rivit heads as on this saddle) with 3 venting holes on top.
>>>>
>>>> Brooks Select from the late 70s early 80s. Has an allen tensioner in
>>>> the nose
>>>> too. Came in a plastic display box with an allen key and a tin of
> Proofide.
>>>>
>>>> Chuck Schmidt
>>>> SoPas, SoCal
>>>>
>>>> "Martin O. Walsh" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Fred and CR list members
>>>>> I just bought a bicycle at the Trexlertown swap that had the same saddle
>>> that
>>>>> you ask about.The date of mine was 1978,from the T-town swap.
>>>>> It is imbossed (stamped on the cantle plate) month and last two digits
>>> for year,
>>>>> i.e., 8 78 (August 1978).
>>>>> Inspect the under side near the rear of the saddle for a date code.
>>>>> The saddle appears much newer than the 1966 date of your Paramount
> in my
>>>>> opinion.
>>>>> They are really nice saddles!
>>>>> I bought my first Brooks leather saddle (Brooks Pro select) in the
>>> early 1980's
>>>>> from Carl Mueller's Bicycle Shop in Baltimore,Md. but it was made in the
>>> late
>>>>> 1970's going by the date code.
>>>>> Please let us know what you hear from the "saddle experts", if you get
>>> any off
>>>>> list replies.
>>>>> Thanks !
>>>>> Yours truly,
>>>>> Martin Walsh
>>>>>
>>>>> Fredrick Yavorsky wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.twistcomm.com/Bikes/66_Paramount/source/p1010023.html
>>>>>> http://www.twistcomm.com/Bikes/66_Paramount/source/p1010009.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Speaking of saddles, I'm still hoping to get an opinion on this Brooks
>>> Pro
>>>>>> "Select" on the 1966 Paramount that followed me home. Anyone have
>>>>>> information?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>> Fred Yavorsky
>>>>>> Jenkintown, PA