Brian, while I admire your dedication to "OUR" craft, your comments seem very egocentric and frankly, I agree with Mr. Goodrich: if you continue with the line that only you and a few select others care about building fine bicycles, of any form, you have to expect some backlash.
Personally, I don't discriminate against any form of building style or joining method. Why should I? I fully understand that each method requires its own commitment, dedication, and craftsmanship to reach the pinnacle of their application. They may be as different as Cubism is from Ashcan, but each has its own merit, followers, and those who see it and appreciate it as art. If you truly believe that those on the "framebuilders" list and most "modern" builders have no interest in perfecting their craft, old school or no, then you simply haven't been paying attention either through oversight or intent. I know many younger builders who work daily at achieving perfection in "old school" lugged frames.
Cheers! Don Ferris Littleton, Colorado
-----Original Message----- From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of Brian Baylis Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 10:09 AM To: OROBOYZ@aol.com Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Changing the definitions of being on-topic
Dale and all.
Obviously most want to keep the "Keepers". I can live with that also. As Raoul mentioned to me, don't make the proclaimation so quickly. I soon realized that the type of discussions that take place on the framebuilders list are quite different than the ones we have related to frames on the CR list. The primary difference is that the framebuilders list is mainly technical stuff. Very few if any are seeking information on the artistic aspects of the bike frame. This perspective is most approiate on this list, since the concepts related to artistic framebuilding were born amongst the bikes and frames we are interested in here. Ironically most "modern" framebuilders have no interest in doing frames "old school" with very few exceptions.
Brian Baylis
La Mesa, CA