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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 16:48:55 -0800 (PST)
From: Donald Gillies <gillies@cs.ubc.ca>
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org, themaaslands@comcast.net
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> Perhaps he is one of the many vintage bike lovers who do not ride
> often, or at all, and are therefore much more concerned with
> appearance.

Augh !! What an insult !! At the moment I do not ride as often as I would like (about 2 days commuting a week, and maybe 1 ride a week with my children in the bike trailer. I would ride more if my errands and childcare for my twin sons did not conflict with my bike riding.) All my bikes are riders, and i've owned 1 new bike and 2 used bikes at most times of my life.

All my recent vintage bike purchases have been "riders" or "trashed". I like to leave things in better condition than i found them.

I own a paramount (~1975, bought in 1980), and i was just noticing how the paramount seems to mimic a cinelli, except for the name decals. however, i think the paramount as a line of bicycles is probably older, and i doubt that cinelli was copying schwinn. I have not had the good luck to ride a cinelli, or ride another paramount besides my P-15, however, I figured there were so many paramount geometries that one of them might be close to a cinelli. On the other hand, however, the cinelli uses columbus tubing and very different lugs.

Anyway, It's very interesting to know that Waterford was making a conscious effort to copy the Cinelli !! So when production moved from Chicago to Waterford, Wisconsin, I guess that was when paramounts started to look almost EXACTLY like cinellis from a distance !!

Personally, I think my P-15 rides like a tank, but i always thought it was because of the 25.5 frame and araya bulldozer wheels. I think I could store more than a kilowatt in those wheels if i needed to ...

- Don Gillies
San Diego, CA