Is it just me, or is the 1970 Masi GC on auction right now on e-bay look rather different than for instance the 1971 Masi GC which is on Richard Sach's web site? I mean, for a start the chainstays are easily a full inch longer- I note both with rear wheels placed at front of rear-dropout. Was there this much variance among the geometry of Masi's of this era?
Thanks,
Jeremy Lieberman
New York City
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> 1. Wanted: O.M.A.S. hubs (Chuck Schmidt)
> 2. Fw: Photo Album from Tom: Moon Baylis photos (Thomas Rawson)
> 3. Re: Early 60's Bianchi experts (What model is this?)
> 4. "Colnago" an article from California Cycling Jan. 1971.
> (dave martinez)
> 5. need help
> 6. Veloswap Pt. II 1/2
> 7. 3Rensho 56 cm track frameset for sale
> 8. Tom Rawson's Richard Moon photos (Tom Sanders)
> 9. DT shifter ???'s (Rick Robbins)
> 10. re: Cinelli Headbadge Results (john barron- velostuf)
> 11. Re: DT shifter ???'s (Raoul Delmare)
> 12. For sale:1962 Hetchins Experto Crede & 50 Magnum Bonum 6-day
> (Hetchinspete)
> 13. Moving to Milwaukee (Hetchinspete)
> 14. Re: DT shifter ???'s (Joe Bender-Zanoni)
> 15. Wanted: Barrel adjusters for Galli brakes (Hetchinspete)
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> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:32:14 -0700
> From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Wanted: O.M.A.S. hubs
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> Hey, List...
>
> I need some O.M.A.S. hubs, five speed (120mm spacing), either 32 or 36
> hole, with QR skewers, good used or NOS condition. Let me know what you
> have off list...
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> South Pasadena, Southern California (high 70s and crystal clear today)
>
> .
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> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:34:15 -0800
> From: "Thomas Rawson" <twrawson@worldnet.att.net>
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Fw: Photo Album from Tom: Moon Baylis photos
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> You've been invited to view Tom's photos!Heres a suggested alternative =
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> Cheers
> Tom Rawson
> Oakland, CA
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> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:48:52 EST
> From: NortonMarg@aol.com
> To: dhatfield750@yahoo.com
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Early 60's Bianchi experts (What model is this?)
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> In a message dated 11/19/03 3:32:34 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> dhatfield750@yahoo.com writes:
>
> > Is there a way to tell what model Bianchi this is?
> > Serial No. 160788. See photo link below,
> > (Specialissima or Competizione?)This bike had been
> > repainted many years ago. So no decals. It has the
> > screw in the back of the head tube. Has Brooks B-17
> > saddle (never had a tag)stamped 61. Campagnolo parts
> > include seat post, Gran Sport front and rear
> > derailler, HF hubs with oil clips, shifters, drop outs
> > and crank. Universal 61 brakes. Colors? Would that
> > depend on the model. What colors can I consider for
> > the restoration. What small specks of original paint I
> > can find appear to be a coppertone or gold color.
> > Thanks in advance
> >
>
> What size is the Campagnolo seatpost? Specialissimas were made of SL
tubing
> and all had 27.2 posts. Competiziones were made of SP and had either 26.8
or
> 27.0mm posts. Most of the Competiziones I've seen, came with steel
Magistroni
> cranks and Gran Sport derailleurs. Most of the Specialissimas came with
Campy
> alloy cranks and Record derailleurs. Your serial number indicates a
likely year
> of 1960, which would predate the record derailleurs and the Universal
Model
> (19) 61 brakes. It would be interesting if you would check the date on
your hub
> lock nuts. Is there a headbadge? If there is no headbadge, it MAY be a
Team
> Issue. Is there chrome on the ends of the forks and stays, or just the
> headlugs, fork crown and drop out faces? Among the stock colors are:
blue, green,
> black, root beer, red and probably some others. Team issues came in
Celeste (very
> different from the new colors) and a Salmon color.
> I highly recommend Ed Litton for the paint. He just did a Team that is
within
> 25 serial numbers from mine and mine will be done soon. He has all the
> decals.
> Stevan Thomas
> Alameda, CA
> ps. the picture link doesn't work for me, I'm not registered with Yahoo.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:26:07 -0800 (PST)
> From: dave martinez <dmart84815@yahoo.com>
> To: CR List <ClassicRendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]"Colnago" an article from California Cycling Jan. 1971.
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> Hello Brian and Fellow List Members,
>
> This article appeared in California Cycling- A bi-monthly bicycle touring
and racing publication of Velo-Sport Cyclery. January 1971.
>
> COLNAGO
> During the past several years, we have been searching for a top quality
Italian racing frame of which we would be able to receive a readily
availible supply. Last Year when Peter Rich was in Italy he made numerous
inquiries about builders who would be able to supply us. We received
samples of several different frames. After close examination of the frames
workmanship, many months of testriding, it was decided that the frames
built by Ernesto Colnago possessed excellent handling qualities and
craftmanship. In the past we have dealt with other Italian builders and
have sometimes waited two years to receive frames. We, therefore, made a
preliminary order of ten frames, and we are happy in receiving the frames
soon after placing the order.
> Meanwhile, last October two Velo-Sport employees were in Europe visiting
various frame builders and bicycle manufactuers. Ther were most impressed
by the shop facilities of Mr. Colnago. The shop is located about 20 miles
outside of Milan in a new building , with six people working, including Mr.
Colnago and his brother. They produce approximately 80 frames a month. The
majority of these frames are ridden by Italian amateur and professional
cyclists. He supplied frames for the 1960 and 1968 Italian Olympic team
and the professional trade teams, Molteni and SCIC. Some of the prominent
professional riders who will be riding Colnago frames next year are Eddy
Merckx, Felice Gimondi, Gianna Motta and Michele Dancelli.
> Mr. Colnago has been involed in frame building and bicycle racing for
many years. Each year, he serves as head mechanic for a trade team, for the
Giro d' Italia and the Tour de France. He has also served as chief mechanic
for the Italian national team in the Olyimpics and world championships. He
either builds himself or closely supervises the construction of all his
frames, unlike a number of other quality Italian frames imported into this
country bearing one persons name, but built by someone else.
> We are thoroughly impressed with every aspect of Mr. Colnago's building
ability. Because of this, we are happy to be the first importer of his
bicycle into the country. At present, we have five frames left (two 54cm,
53cm, 56cm and 58cm). In January, we will receive twenty all blue completed
bicycles, (two of sizes: 50, 52, 54, 56, 57, 58, 60, 62, and 64cm). In
March or April, 100 frames are expected in assorted sizes and colors in
addition to five track frames.
> We plan to keep 30 to 40 frames on hand at all times. They are selling
for $175 ($410 as a complete bicycle) now, which is comparable to other
bicycles of similar quality.
>
> Note,
> I uncovered this after finally getting around to reading Brians account
of the Peter Rich-Masi talk at VR '03. So I would reccomend doing a CR
archive search for Brians post to get the full impact of the story.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave Martinez
> Fremont Ca
>
>
>
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> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 00:01:26 EST
> From: TonyFNitro@aol.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]need help
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> greetings
>
> well dale is stumped as to
> the idenity of my new frame.
> would anyone else care tom give it a shot.
> will email pics.
>
> thanks
> robbie fellows
> long beach,ca.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 05:20:51 GMT
> From: brianbaylis@juno.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Veloswap Pt. II 1/2
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>
> Veloswap Pt. II 1/2.
>
> Listmembers,
>
> But I digress...
>
> Please pardon me for the names I may misspell. I'm LAZY and don't have
time to check them all. Thanks.
>
> I need to go back and cover a few things related to the actual event of
Veloswap 2003. Aside from the dance performance by Mr. Wonderful around our
booth, I forgot to mention the many CR members or simular types that I had
the pleasure to interact with. I'll do my very best to remember everyone,
but I expect something may slip through. I wasn't in top form that day,
thanks to some "sub-standard" foodstuffs the previous night.
>
> As I wandered through the place I met Curtis Anthony, Steven Thomas, Roy
Freitas, Joel Metz, Brian Marcov, and Tom Hanson. All of these guys were
vendors, so we all had the run of the place along with the crew from the
South made up of Matt Gorski, Chuck Schmidt, Brian Ignatin, and the
honorary Jan and Peter Johnson. Jan was setting up and organizing her booth
as the rest of us scurried about the place like rats. As the doors opened
to buyers the number of encounters increased. Jim McCoin showed up with
some trade booty meant for exchange towards a genuine Nervex BB shell. Jim
is going to build himself a frame. I'm anxious to see how that project
turns out. It will be full Nervex fittings. Cool!
>
> Throughout the day Rob Hawks dropped in, Charles Andrews (and his very
patient honey) joined us (and later generously supplied all of us with
breakfast as we were trapped in the Cow Palace). Charles is another
dedicated vintage rider and caretaker of classic bikes who I enjoy
tremendously. He makes it to lots of rides and events so I have the
pleasure of seeing him alot. I talked to Bernie Mikkelsen, Paul Sadahoff
(Rock Lobster), Felix Chiu, Brad Stockwell, Charles Neibor, and certainly a
few more that I remembered earlier today but I can't recall now. I really
like to talk to people and hear the stories of the "bikes that got away"
and so on. Having the old classics there causes the old timers to cough up
their tales(tails??). I also had an opportunity to talk with Brett Horton.
Of the three bikes he had on display I found the Specially built 1981
Colnago ridden to victory by Freddy Martens in the World Road Championship.
Brett asked me what I thought of the bike. First I looked over the lugs and
jointery and it's all very simple and clean. Still made with Prugnaut
longpoint lugs at a time when most other Italian companies had gone to IC
lugs. The first thing that stood out were the chainstays. The bike was
fairly small (about 56 or 57cm maybe) but had the large oversized Columbus
PS track chainstays. Martens was obviously a sprinter! I tapped the tubing
gently with the back of my fingernail and it sounded like it was made of
lead. Holy smokes! I tapped all over the frame and the whole bike was made
from heavy straight gauge Chrome Moly or something. Old Schwinn Paramount
track tandems barely had tubing this thick. This guy won the world
championships that year on probably the heaviest bike in the peloton.
Personally I've never given lightness any consideration on a frame unless
it was for a time trial on the road or track. This obsession with weight
and modern frames has never made sense to me. Be fanatical about
components, especially wheels, if you must. But a bike frame to last for
many generations is probably best built with somewhat traditional tubing.
As far as how fun it is to ride such a bike; if you don't know how to have
fun on a great steel classic then you're just not getting it, really.
Anyway, this speciality frame was the most interesting thing I saw at the
Veloswap. The other special treat for me was to speak with Peter Rich, who
actually imported the 1962 black Masi special I had on display. I asked him
to check out my machine and tell me if he thought it was from the very
first batch of bikes. He came back with a yes! Oh Goodie!! He asked me if I
knew the history of that bike. I told him what I had heard. Traded to
Albert Eisentraut for some frame fixturing. Albert presented it to his wife
Catherine as a wedding gift in 1963. Peter said "That's right". Oh Goodie!!
So the story has been confirmed on both counts. I felt VERY SPECIAL owing
that beautiful Masi (my size even) and having Peter Rich there to bask in
the knowledge that it has a proper and loving home after 41 years!! Peter
Jonson told me later that my bike was the "hit of the show" (I didn't know
that) because it was the oldest and most pristine. Fortunately for me Mrs.
Eisentraut didn't take to cycling.
>
> I just wanted to let everyone who dropped in that I really had a good
time. I encourage everyone who can make it to next years event to do so. We
can all party down or whatever. Hopefully Dave Martinez and some of the
others who didn't get there this time can make it. The ride was awsome
also. This should be a regular vintage event. Jan Johnson in particular did
a fantastic job. True to the new motto for the LAPD " We treat you like a
King", she really did! She was connected directly to the big boys at
Velonews and we got to hang around. Adds to the experiece tremendously.
There is always some interesting inside buzz. Wait until I tell you how she
handled breakfast at the Raddison the next morning. Another priceless CR
experience! Also I have to thank Matty for heading up the expedition. Those
of us who know Matty really love him; he's the kind of guy that brings out
the best in an experience and in people. It's hard to explain the level of
coolness, class, and fun loving spirit Matty exhudes. To me Matty is a ROCK
STAR! Everyone is great on these trips, but Matty is always tops it off.
That's why we here in the south has selected him "Man of the Year". We will
celebrate that at a ride comming up in Janurary. Chuck and Brian Ignatin
complete the experience. Brian and Chuck are both real easy to get along
with, full of bike information, and generally great to ride and travel
with. I'm sure all of have friends like this, but I think we may get more
of our share of vintage experience amongst us.
>
> Maybe Pt. III tonite, but don't hold your breath.
>
> Brian Baylis
> La Mesa, CA
> Whoa, 9pm already. Forget Pt. III
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 02:47:53 EST
> From: NortonMarg@aol.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Cc: mail@woodworkingboy.com
> Subject: [CR]3Rensho 56 cm track frameset for sale
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> Dennis Young and I just imported a BEAUTIFUL 3Rensho Keirin track
frameset,
> that was supposed to be for me, but turns out to be a little too small.
Rats!
> It's 56 cm ctt, undrilled fork, old style (no spigots) fork ends. I'd
guess
> it's maybe mid 80s. It appears to have been lightly used, judging by the
axle
> marks on the face of the rear ends, it's had two or three different sets
of gear
> ratios on it. It's red with either water slide or varnish fix decals, old
> school with no clear over them. There is one moderately big scratch under
the bb
> shell. This is a way cool, very rare and exquisite frameset, that looks
darn
> near new!. $700 takes it away.
> Stevan Thomas
> Alameda, CA
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 04:24:21 -0500
> From: "Tom Sanders" <tsan7759142@comcast.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Tom Rawson's Richard Moon photos
> Message-ID: <004e01c3af48$14ef9ea0$49f0f50c@C1921978A>
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>
> I just got a mailing from Tom with a working link to those photos he =
> posted a day or so ago that were difficult to access. All I can say is =
> WOW. This is one seriously lovely bike! Folks who didn't get to see it =
> should either drop Tom a line or myself and I will forward his post.
> I have written to Richard Moon two days ago (talk about coincidence) =
> about ordering a frame and am awaiting his reply. Does anyone know for =
> sure if he is accepting new orders? I'd sure like to hear more from =
> anyone ordering from him recently to see what their experiences were.
> Thanks all,
> Tom Sanders
> Lansing, Mi
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 07:57:52 -0500
> From: Rick Robbins <rfrobb@wcoil.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]DT shifter ???'s
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> Listmembers,
>
> Recently, I was fortunate enough to acquire an older Picchio Special
> frameset which is pretty unique. It has creased tubing, lugs with
> hearts and stars, a single shifter boss (right side), and track-like
> rear dropouts. From reading the CR archives, apparently, Art Yow in SF
> has a similar model.
>
> I would really like to have an option for a double chainring setup. I
> know Campy made left side single clamp-on down tube bosses. My
> questions are, would the use of a clamp on boss be restricted by the
> right side cable boss? If so, is there a model that would accommodate
> the existing boss? Do any CR members have such a clamp-on that is for
> sale or know where I can acquire one?
>
> Rick Robbins
> Ada, OH
>
> Findlay, Ohio
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 07:41:49 -0600
> From: "john barron- velostuf" <jb@velostuf.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]re: Cinelli Headbadge Results
> Message-ID: <001f01c3af6c$0c702230$6501a8c0@Velostuf>
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> I have several older, original Cinellis with badged stems, and on the =
> stems, I noticed 2 different versions- One with a gold lily (on white =
> background) and gold snake, and one with a red lily (on white =
> background) and a green snake. I am very certain that these are =
> genuine, original stem badges, so I'd say that there are several styles =
> of stem badges... If I get a chance, I'll post pics so that people can =
> see what I'm talking about...
>
> John Barron
> Minneapolis MN
>
> Previously written:
>
> The photo with the answers (fake badges have the Japanese script over =
> them)
> is posted at:
> http://www.villagephotos.com/
> Andrea Cinelli has responded below. The translation of his comments =
> would
> be:
> >From the images, it is very difficult to distinguish the background =
> colors,
> and the surface.
> I can only say that
> 1) all the smaller badges (the originals that I have) have a gold =
> colored
> lily on white background (the snake is also in gold)
> 2) On the larger badges, the lily is red on white background (the snake =
> is
> green).
> I will leave the choice up to you (badge E seems to respond most to the
> above-mentioned requirements)
> You would also need to feel them to be sure.
> Thanks for playing!
> Dennis Young
> Hotaka, Japan
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:28:14 -0600
> From: "Raoul Delmare" <Raoul.L.Delmare@worldnet.att.net>
> To: "C.R. List" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>,
> "Bruce C." <BruceCumberland@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [CR]DT shifter ???'s
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> Hello Rick ,
>
> First , if somebody on the list has a firm idea of when your
frame-set
> might have been made , I'm very curious to know how old it really is !
>
> And , well , I don't have all the old Campagnolo catalogs . I
keep
> INTENDING to place a big order with Chuck Schmidt , at Vélo - Rétro (
> what is my problem ? - must stop procrastinating ! ) .
>
> However , I can tell you that the French manufacturers definitely
made
> just the item for which you are looking . Simplex & Huret made
> "clamp-on" or "band-on" shift levers , with , a left-hand shift lever
> attached to the band , and a hole on the right side to fit over a
brazed-on
> lever boss .
>
> I seem to almost remember Campagnolo made one , but I'm not 100%
sure
> .
>
> HOWEVER , I just HAVE to say - what a totally cool frame-set you
> have !!
>
> Since we all seem to have several bicycles each . . . Hey Rick
! ,
> if you already have a couple of "10-speeds" ( or much more ) , you
might
> think about leaving this one without a front derailleur .
>
> Just a thought .
>
> And here's a more radical thought , if it has rear-facing ,
horizontal
> , rear-fork-ends , track-style . . . And if it has a single
> brazed-on shift-lever boss . . . I've read that a shift lever
> designed for a derailleur does a fine job of shifting a Sturmey Archer
rear
> hub !!
>
> I think I'd stick with a 3-Speed , and not try for a 4-Speed .
And
> if a vintage AW , with a smooth chrome-plated shell , and a date stamp
> from long ago , just does not seem exotic enough . . . You could
find
> a "vintage" Sturmey Archer hub with an ALUMINUM ( aluminium ) shell ,
> like an AC ( close ratio ) , or an AM ( medium ratio ) , or even an
> AW ( wide ratio ) with an aluminum shell ( they did make a few ) .
Of
> course , if you didn't mind spending the money , you could go with a
> fixed-gear 3-Speed Sturmey Archer ASC !!!
>
> ( I've read that you have to know what you are doing , if you try to
> shift an ASC with a non-ASC shift lever . It would be a shame to
> damage something so rare , and so expensive . So seek some expert
advice
> first . )
>
> Just a thought .
>
> :^)
>
> Congratulations on a very interesting frame-set !
>
> Raoul Delmare
> Marysville Kansas
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick Robbins" <rfrobb@wcoil.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:57 AM
> Subject: [CR]DT shifter ???'s
>
>
> > Listmembers,
> >
> > Recently, I was fortunate enough to acquire an older Picchio Special
> > frameset which is pretty unique. It has creased tubing, lugs with
> > hearts and stars, a single shifter boss (right side), and track-like
> > rear dropouts. From reading the CR archives, apparently, Art Yow in SF
> > has a similar model.
> >
> > I would really like to have an option for a double chainring setup. I
> > know Campy made left side single clamp-on down tube bosses. My
> > questions are, would the use of a clamp on boss be restricted by the
> > right side cable boss? If so, is there a model that would accommodate
> > the existing boss? Do any CR members have such a clamp-on that is for
> > sale or know where I can acquire one?
> >
> > Rick Robbins
> > Ada, OH
> >
> > Findlay, Ohio
>
>
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>
> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 9:35:02 -0500
> From: Hetchinspete <hetchins.pete@verizon.net>
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]For sale:1962 Hetchins Experto Crede & 50 Magnum Bonum 6-day
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> Adrian Hands of the CR Group has been graciuos enough to create a site
for me so you can view my cycle frames that are up for sale. Nic Henderson
had offered as well, and that offer is greatly appreciated, but I've
decided to take up Adrian on his offer to help build a site for me, as he
is in the US and I can call for advice as we build a site for my Hetchins
and other Brittish cycles. The page is temporarily set up and you can view
the bikes by using the URL below. For now I'll give more information over
the CR. Would it be possible as this group grows that we all get our
individual sites linked together through the CR Site, without making much
work if any for Mr. Brown (Dale).
>
> http://pete.hetchins.ahands.org/
>
> I've remeasured the MB 6-day and it is 22"CC, and top tube is 22". The
Experto is 22&1/2"CC with a top tube of the same length. If you want
further information on either bike, please email and I'll respond as
quickly as possible.
>
> I want to thank all member who have responded to my ad so far, and to
other with their advice about web hosting services etc.
>
> Hetchinspete
> Alias Peter Naiman
> Boston, MA
>
> Otherwise known as Itchypete
>
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> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 9:44:02 -0500
> From: Hetchinspete <hetchins.pete@verizon.net>
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Moving to Milwaukee
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> As I said months ago to the CR Members, my wife and I are considering
moving to Milwaulkee. One member wrote that he hated it their and had to
come back to the Eastcoast, but much of the family is there and I've come
away with a favorable liking for the area. That being said, I've been asked
by a few folks to start a show and swap similar to the original Larz
Anderson Show in the Midwest, but I'm not that familiar with the area yet.
Is there much of a cycling community in the surrounding areas, and the Ann
Arbor Swap can't be too far away. Are there any neat bikes shop within
Milwaukee or even Chicago areas.
>
> Even though we might be in the Midwest, I'll still try and assist Maurice
with Larz if he desires, as organizing a show of any size takes much effort
and time.
>
> Peter Naiman
> Boston, MA
>
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>
> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:50:49 -0500
> From: Joe Bender-Zanoni <joebz@optonline.net>
> To: Rick Robbins <rfrobb@wcoil.com>, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]DT shifter ???'s
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> Cheaper Peugeots had an odd arrangement with a brazed on right boss and a
> clamp on Simplex shifter for the left that fit over the boss. Would such a
> shifter fit over a Campagnolo boss? If so the result would look less
> awkward than a seperate shifter.
>
> Joe Bender-Zanoni
> Great Notch, NJ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick Robbins" <rfrobb@wcoil.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 7:57 AM
> Subject: [CR]DT shifter ???'s
>
>
> > Listmembers,
> >
> > Recently, I was fortunate enough to acquire an older Picchio Special
> > frameset which is pretty unique. It has creased tubing, lugs with
> > hearts and stars, a single shifter boss (right side), and track-like
> > rear dropouts. From reading the CR archives, apparently, Art Yow in SF
> > has a similar model.
> >
> > I would really like to have an option for a double chainring setup. I
> > know Campy made left side single clamp-on down tube bosses. My
> > questions are, would the use of a clamp on boss be restricted by the
> > right side cable boss? If so, is there a model that would accommodate
> > the existing boss? Do any CR members have such a clamp-on that is for
> > sale or know where I can acquire one?
> >
> > Rick Robbins
> > Ada, OH
> >
> > Findlay, Ohio
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 9:51:32 -0500
> From: Hetchinspete <hetchins.pete@verizon.net>
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Wanted: Barrel adjusters for Galli brakes
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> I'm looking for a pair of barrel adjusters for Galli brakes. I sold a
group to Chuck Brooks a few years ago and not sure if the adjusters went
with them or not, but Chuck has brakes that are unusable without the
adjusters. Does anybody in our group have a pair that I can purchase, or
know a supplier that might possibly have them.
>
> Peter Naiman
> Boston, MA
>
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