While some have certainly failed, I just sold Famous Lou a bike that had a 32 hole C Record high flange hub radially laced on it since '95 and the hub is still beautiful. The way things go back and forth between us, folks that know us won't be surprised to find that I have the hub back now and it is getting laced into some Sun rims for the Baylis I bought from Lou. Round and round we go...ain't that what friends are for? Tom Sanders