Vlad- Give David Kirk a call-very cool guy , really knows his stuff , has a reasonable backlog and an 800#. I haven't bought a frame from him yet but I know he has several repeat buyers.
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> 1. Re: Kirk Frames/Keepers of the torch (Chuck Schmidt)
> 2. Best ever hubs? (Tom Dalton)
> 3. Re: Kirk Frames/Keepers of the torch
> 4.
> eBay item #2204572437 Rory O'Brien track frame / Headset Press for
> sale
> 5. Hi E Hubs (ADP)
> 6. A mysterious braze-on
> 7. Loss at The BVVW (John Pergolizzi)
> 8. Re: Leather Handlebar Tape - NOT for the fainthearted 8*)
> 9. Re: Best ever pedals
> 10. Re: Best ever pedals (Jan Heine)
> 11. Re: Best ever hubs?
> 12. Re: Best ever hubs? (Chuck Schmidt)
> 13. Re: The best components ever? (Daniel Artley)
> 14. RE: Best ever hubs? (Dave Patrick)
> 15. Re: Best ever pedals
> 16. RE: SPAM: [CR]Leather Handlebar Tape - NOT for the fainthearted
> 8*) (Bingham, Wayne R.)
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> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:22:06 -0700
> From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Kirk Frames/Keepers of the torch
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> ABikie@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 11/25/03 1:14:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > vladluskin@yahoo.com writes:
> > Does anyone have information regarding Kirk Frameworks beyond what's on
their
> > web site. I am looking for opinions on workmanship, ride quality, etc.
> > Thanks a lot,
> >
> > http://www.kirkframeworks.com/
> >
> > Vlad Luskin
> > SF, CA
> > I have a few for sale Let me know what they are going for and I'll price
them
> > accordingly .
> > Larry Black
> > Mt airy, Maryland
> Larry, I think you are confusing Kirk Precision (magnesium frame) with
> David Kirk Frameworks.
> Chuck Schmidt
> South Pasadena, California
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:35:14 -0800 (PST)
> From: Tom Dalton <tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com>
> To: BobHoveyGa@aol.com
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Best ever hubs?
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> Bob Wrote-
> the C-Record high flange "Sheriff's Star"
> hubs...
> perhaps the nicest-looking component Campy ever produced.
>
> One of the nicest looking indeed... and one of the more failure-prone.
They were significantly heavier than the Record high flange, yet less
durable. I'd still like to own a pair, however.
>
> Tom Dalton
> Bethlehem, PA
>
>
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:42:09 -0500
> From: LouDeeter@aol.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Kirk Frames/Keepers of the torch
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> Vlad Luskin asked: Does anyone have information regarding Kirk Frameworks
beyond what's on their web site. I am looking for opinions on workmanship,
ride quality, etc. http://www.kirkframeworks.com/
>
> Since David Kirk only established his company in June 2003, this is indeed
an impressive website. It sounds to me like his time with Serotta and Carl
Strong has certainly provided the sort of "resume" that one would think
would make for the kind of product shown on the site. I'll be interested
also to hear from listmembers about his bikes. I'm glad to see another
"Keeper of the Flame" enter the business. Bozeman, Montana is a wonderful
place to gain creative thoughts from the surroundings as well. Lou Deeter,
Orlando FL
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:45:35 EST
> From: GRIFFKS@aol.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]
> eBay item #2204572437 Rory O'Brien track frame / Headset Press for sale
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> I have an attractive 21"Rory O'Brien track frame on eBay at present
(item#=20
> 2204572437) with a realistic reserve of =A3150.00 if it is of interest,
als=
> o have=20
> a new boxed workshop headset press for =A360.00 that would make an
ideal=20
> present for those of you home mechanics, this will go on eBay next week if
n=
> ot sold=20
> prior to a listmember, can e-mail photos................
> best regards
> Griff King-Spooner (London UK)=20
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:42:28 -0500
> From: ADP <aphillips9@mindspring.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Hi E Hubs
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> I almost went for these, but with Christmas coming and several bike
> projects in the works, could not justify the purchase, how ever cool they
> were...
>
> Search on ebay auction 2204433247
>
> Aren't they just pretty!
>
> Ann Phillips, Decatur GA
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:53:29 EST
> From: LeMansGTMAN@aol.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]A mysterious braze-on
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> Not mysterious at all as it happens and in my experience a very common
sight
> on mid-range mass-produced (not RSP) 531 Raleighs of the 1970s-80s...
>
> This is just a 'stop' to stop the clamp-on levers from sliding down the
tube
> when they are used (usually if they were not tightened enough on
assembly).
>
> You'll notice the 'pointy'-end on the braze-on fits nicely into the split
of
> the clamp-on band (well it does on my Raleigh winter-hack anyway - which
is
> fitted incidentally, with my vote for the best changer levers ever made
> incidentally - Sun Tour Ratchet Frictions - a bit chunky but wonderful -
and still
> appearing regularly on an e-bay near you!).
>
> Ian Briggs
> Luton - England
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:57:49 -0500
> From: "John Pergolizzi" <jtperry@worldnet.att.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Loss at The BVVW
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> Dear Friends,
> Eight weeks ago, a founding member of The Brooklyn Velodrome
wheelmen,
> Richard Levin passed away. Ritch had suffered with previously undiagnosed
> heart disease, but after a stent, he had been given the o.k. to ride. The
> day after a fifty miler, Ritchie said
> goodbye. Ritch was 51 years old.
> I've only just found this report by Ritchie's hand on a BVVVW meeting
> that took place a year ago. I don't remember if I posted it then, so
please
> allow me the privilege of placing it here now:
>
> On Friday Oct.10.2002. ten members of The BVVW( Brooklyn Velodrome
> Vintage Wheelmen) showed up for the monthly meeting held at Emey\u2019s
Bicycle
> Shop, N.Y.C. 7 made their way afterwards for pizza.. Boy did they miss a
> show.
> John had just returned from California and brought his lap top computer
with
> pictures of the gorgeous bicycles at the The Velo Rendezvous that was
held
> there. The highlight of the talk was the
> articulation of the talk that John gave. He does get excited! If he didn't
> sound like someone twice his
> age then he sounded 3 times that. Henceforth he shall be known as \u201cIl
> Proffessore\u201d But the true highlight was a sample seatlug that was given to
> him(by Brian Baylis) in the raw (massaged by Mario Confente first)which we
> all had a chance to fondle. The artistry was superb.
>
>
> We were also, through John's quest to disseminate knowledge, given a
handout
> on
> Confente bikes and their history. Included was a copy of the original
> brochure and article by Russ Howe. I have to admit that my knowledge of
> this historic
> bike builder is limited only by my lack of knowledge on the subject.
>
> After the slide and talk show we had the opportunity to see probably one
of
> the
> first Confente badged bikes built. Built in 1976 at Masi for Irene
Ferrari,
> the wife of Fred Ferrari, designer of Confente decals and brochure and
whose
> bike is pictured in that brochure. This bike was ridden and shown at the
VR
> earlier this month.We knew from the talk that Confente had certain
> trade marks that allow the knowledgeable to establish authenticity by the
> builder; four drill holes in seat tube lug/ top tube intersection would
be
> just one of the distinguishing marks. The \u201cM\u201d cutout in the bottom bracket
> for
> \u201dMasi\u201d distinguished the bike as such.
>
> We talked about the origin of the \u201ccork is popped\u201d syndrome with an
> accompanying hand out of the Ted Ernst text as given to VR attendees. A
> lottery of a \u201cVeuve Cliquot\u201d champaine cork to
> help Emey recoup some the costs of housing some biking misfits at this
most
> recent of meetings followed. John and Sally had already consumed the
> contents bottle. Cliff won.
> All proceeds were given to Emey for some \u201cO\u2019Douls near beer\u201d. Emmy
> graciously accepted.Thanks again Emey for hosting us. We should raise our
> next glass to his honor. We forgot.Too much real beer.
>
> The group then made its way to the usual eating hole: Johns pizzeria on
> Bleeker Street in Greenwich Village. Excellent pizzia cheep. Ah... the
> moment of
> truth; do we wait on line or abandon ship. We stuck it out. Only 20
minutes
> to get in with only one defection: Christo the Greek Italian to see his 9
> month old Stephano.
> After ordering, talk around the table concerning appointments concluded
> with several resolutions being passed. John re-declared himself The
> Omnipotent Despot and we all assented. So it is written, so it was to be.
> After receiving his title, he immediately started to make decree after
> decree: Norman \u201cNino\u201dHellman-consigliere and official court jester,
> Carlyle- official photographer(he didn\u2019t have the camera but does arrive
at
> the meetings on his late 50\u2019s Raleigh 3-speed. Then meets us downtown
and
> leaves the bike outside locked with the European style integral wheel
lock.
> Bill Vojech was decreed club secretary(later changed to club ride
> coordinator once John was sober. Rich Levin will be secretary.Looks better
> in the skirt. Everyone agreed.) and is to work with Michael Lebron to
design
> club jerseys. The
> despot made various other decrees. I didn\u2019t pay close attention, but
what
> the hay, we'll learn what they were as we go along.
>
> There was then a resolution of doing a Club ride on Nov. 10 in Prospect
> Park, Brooklyn . Bear Mt or Albany are
> being talked about as future destinations, but with no sense of urgency.
> Michael Lebron, who showed up with a Holdsworth bike for the meeting, was
> rewarded with the privilege of
> giveing a 500 word or more dissertation on the history of his bike and the
> mark at the November meeting. Assistance will come from Josh \u201cbi valiant\u201d
> Berger. A workshop
> presentation on rebuilding and repair of historic bikes, as well as a
> written
> test for the rest of us to see if we were paying attention, will be given.
>
> The pizza (one plain, one mushroom) as well as the beer(Bud on tap) was
> delivered to the table . A great time was had by all. Afew of us were
still
> hungry, so we ordered another pie. Half mushroom, half plain. And more
beer.
>
>
> The BVVW then retired, like the gentile men that we were, to \u201c Café Dante\u201d
> at Bleeker and Thompson and sipped on capuchino and crumpets and gelatto.
> Then we went home.
>
>
> Happy trails and tails to all. A great time was had by all.
>
> Thanks Ritch.
> The BVVW
> John T.Pergolizzi
> New York, New York
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:59:46 EST
> From: ABikie@aol.com
> To: mrndlmn@toad.net, Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Leather Handlebar Tape - NOT for the fainthearted 8*)
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> In a message dated 11/25/03 2:50:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> mrndlmn@toad.net writes:
> The leather handlebar tape on my 36 year old Hetchins still looks and
> feels great. IMNSHO no cloth or (arghh) plastic tape can compete so,
> like so many of us, I've been looking for an inexpensive and available
> leather product suitable for wrapping handlebars. After many frustrating
> Google sessions, I've found a source. My shipment arrived yesterday, my
> bars are wrapped, and things look good. Total cost including shipping
> for more than enough for one bar was #13.23 - about the cost of "cork"
> at the lbs.
>
> The problem? The source may offend some delicate sensibilities and the
> squeamish may not even care to eyeball the product. That said, let me
> remind you that a strip of garment grade latigo leather neither knows
> nor cares whether it will be used to wrap handlebars or to restrain a
> sex slave.
>
> An offer: If you want the product but would rather not end up as an
> entry the manufacturer's data base and/or mailing list, just figure out
> the cost of your order including shipping and send me a check for that
> amount. I'll submit the order in my name and forward the product to you
> when it arrives.
>
> The folks "Leather Creations" have been very pleasant and professional
> to deal with to date. They:
> 1) notified me that there would be a delay in shipping since they were
> out of stock,
> 2) notified me again when the product was shipped,
> 3) tossed in an additional 4' strip to compensate for the delay and
> 4) returned a $1.73 overpayment in cash.
>
> Enough of this chit chat.
>
> Their home page:
> http://www.leathercreations.com
>
> The "mini bondage strip" product page:
> http://www.leathercreations.info/
> Martin
> Great catch. Maybe the product can do its intended purpose AND be used for
> handlebars.!!
>
> On a similar subject, I've noticed that toe strap leather looks similar to
> tefillin (phylacteries)straps.
>
> We will allow the curious to stay that way. Once knowledge like that gets
out
> who knows, the next thing would be the secret handshake.
> Imagine the possibilities. Oy!
>
> Holy feet!
>
> Larry Black
> Mt Airy, Maryland
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:01:13 EST
> From: Bikerdaver@aol.com
> To: tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com, joebz@optonline.net
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Best ever pedals
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> Ok, I am going to throw in my 2 cents as well here. I think I have had
what I
> would call, "a lot" of experience with a variety of pedals. I keep coming
> back to the amazingly indestructable 1970 Campy NR pedals with the steel
dust
> caps and the toestrap loop.
> You could put 20K miles on them. Place them at ground zero of an
atomic
> bomb blast, then burry them for 100 years. Dig them back up, regrease the
> bearings then ride them down the road for another 50K+ miles. Ok, thats
abit of an
> exaggeration, but no doubt these pedals take one heckuva lot of abuse and
will
> still out perform any retro pedal I have tried.
> The Only pedal that comes close in my experience is GPM's first
attempt
> at a Campy NR clone. Actually looked a lot like a cross between Campy
"denti"
> pedals and a NR model. The outer pedal cage was over-engineered to
withstand
> side bike dumps better than NRs, but I am not certain that the extra metal
> involved in doing so actually helped. I have only seen these pedals twice,
I owned
> both of them. Sold them and regret doing so. cheers,
> Dave Anderson
> Cut Bank MT
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:02:08 -0800
> From: Jan Heine <heine93@earthlink.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Best ever pedals
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> For the best pedals, I vote for the Campy steel Record ones - the
> classic. They must be good - even the French use them ;-)
>
> Campy parts are rare on bikes set up by well-informed randonneurs
> (different from those who followed the racing bike fashions of the
> 1970s). But many of them use Campy pedals, including Ernest Csuka,
> the owner of Cycles Alex Singer, on his personal bike. They are
> smooth, comfortable, last forever, and are easy to rebuild. Hard to
> beat that!
>
> Add that they are plentiful and easy to find, came in BSC/ITAL and FR
> threading, and you have a winner. Oh, and since they came out in 1957
> (first used in the 1956 Tour, but those may have been prototypes
> (with oiler holes)), they are appropriate for many of our bikes.
> --
> Jan Heine, Seattle
> Editor/Publisher
> Vintage Bicycle Quarterly
> http://www.mindspring.com/
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:14:45 EST
> From: BobHoveyGa@aol.com
> To: tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Re: Best ever hubs?
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>
> In a message dated 11/25/03 3:42:25 PM, tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com writes:
>
> << One of the nicest looking indeed... and one of the more failure-prone.
> They were significantly heavier than the Record high flange, yet less
durable.
> I'd still like to own a pair, however. >>
>
>
> I've wanted a set for quite some time, but never lucked out until a month
ago
> when the kindness and eagle eye of a dear friend found me a pair at a
price I
> could afford.
>
> I had not heard about their failure rate, and of course it's obvious just
by
> looking that they are heavier... but I've always been a sucker for a
pretty
> face.
>
> I'll probably keep my present rear wheel and just lace up the front, once
I
> get the little jewel polished to my satisfaction. Ah, I feel like a
teenaged
> hot-rodder... this hub must certainly be the cyclist's equivalent of the
mag
> wheel.
>
> My only concern is wondering if I'm gonna take a header or nail a tree
once I
> get on the road and begin gazing at that beautiful hub flickering in the
> sunlight.
>
> Bob Hovey
> Columbus, GA
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:29:05 -0700
> From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Best ever hubs?
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>
> Tom Dalton wrote:
> >
> > Bob Hovey wrote-
> > the C-Record high flange "Sheriff's Star"
> > hubs...
> > perhaps the nicest-looking component Campy ever produced.
> >
> > One of the nicest looking indeed... and one of the more failure-prone.
They were significantly heavier than the Record high flange, yet less
durable. I'd still like to own a pair, however.
>
>
> There was a lot of discussion on the rec.bicycles.tech newsgroup years
> ago about the flanges failing. I think radial spoking these would be a
> very bad idea and anything less than 3 cross would not be recommended.
>
> My 1985 Bianchi Centenario was spec'd with these hubs spoked 4 cross and
> I have been running the track version spoked 3 cross on my Waterford
> "road/track" for a couple of years now without any problems so far.
>
> The hubs, with their large cutouts, are hypnotizing to watch spinning in
> the sun on a ride. And the unbroken curve of the hub profile, where it
> sweeps from the edge of the large flange all the way out to the QR
> skewers is sublime (in my opinion of course).
>
> http://www.sheldonbrown.com/
> your hubs to the Official Authorized Recycling Facility (same as my home
address).
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> South Pasadena, Southern California
>
> .
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:53:35 -0500
> From: "Daniel Artley" <dartley@co.ba.md.us>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]The best components ever?
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> Best Components? The choices are many. Depending on whether I'd be
> looking for bulletproof racing, absolutely elegant smooth, but delicate
> shifting, friction or click, racing, track, touring or tandem (but then
> we're talking a single bike).
>
> One thing in common with all is braking. I'd want to be able to stop
> easily with lots of road feel. I'm a sucker for optimized NR Campy
> sidepulls, Mathauser pads, teflon or plastic lined housing with fresh
> Triflow goosed through it and smooth drawn brake cables. On a newer
> setup I think dual pivot brakes, at least for the front, would be the
> way to go for whatever length brake would be required. I'd be partial
> to Campy. I like the Campy Ergo brake levers with or without shifters
> (see below). They're just so comfortable to lean on and rest your hands
> on top of. If I must keep it on topic, Record levers.
>
> The drivetrain is so personal. As far as friction goes, bullet proof
> racing would be Campy NR, SR, Record C. I like something like an
> American Classic BB with replaceable bearing cartridges for total
> adjustability and no maintenance. For a wider range of 5 or 6 speeds in
> back, perhaps in the closer or medium touring range I like Cyclotourist
> triple cranks with a half step and granny triple, very good Q factor
> with either Huret Jubilee or Campy record for the closer range stuff
> front and rear, and with a much wider range setup a duopar for the rear
> with a nice light wide range half step front shifter. I know a Suntour
> Mountech works well. Blow off those Simplex shifters, too small a
> barrel and move up to Campy friction barends, the smoothest of all the
> friction shifters. Click shifting isn't even an option if you're only
> talking 5 or 6 gears on the back. I'd go for click shifting if I had at
> least an 8 speed freehub, off topic.
>
> I've always been a Cinelli guy with bars and stem for tradition, but
> I'm leaning toward the not so beefy TTT in my old age and I'm not sold
> on ergonomic bends. Something more in the line of a shallow drop like
> the Cinelli 64 bar, and cork handlebar wrap. I might go Nitto for
> availability. Campy two bolt SR post for reliability. The seat might
> be a Brooks, I seem to like them more all the time, maybe a B-17 narrow
> or Swift. I seem to last on them longer than the Team Pro.
>
> For wheels, I'm still sold on Campy record low flange hubs w/ light 4x
> butted spokes and box section rims. The hubs just seem to last forever.
> I'd have to see what was available at the time, but most likely silver
> this time to keep 'em from looking worn with age. Some nice gumwalled
> 28 mm tires are what I like, the Roly Poly's are nice but just a little
> heavier than I prefer. Avocet Fasgrips in the 25 mm width are just
> right (if only they were still available in gumwall).
>
> Now, where's that cool frame?
>
> Dan Artley
> Parkton, Maryland
>
> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:08:53 +0000
> From: brucerobbins@supanet.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]The best components ever?
>
> I was thinking of getting a good frame and equipping it, as far as
> possible, with the best components ever made (a bit ambitious maybe?),
> regardless of whether or not they formed a groupset. I'd be looking to
> build a 10 or 12-speed for all-round use.
>
> Is there any sort of general consensus about what was the best
> derailleur, the best brakes, best hubs, etc, within our time frame? My
> exposure to bike parts is limited mainly to pre-1970s stuff so any
> thoughts on the subject would be much-appreciated.
>
> This wouldn't be about the frame so it's not necessary to have Italian
> parts on an Italian fame or French parts on a French frame. I have no
> prejudices when it comes to marque or country of origin so Shimano or
> even Campagnolo would be acceptable. ;->
>
> Bruce
> Dundee
> Scotland
>
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> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:50:09 -0500
> From: "Dave Patrick" <Patrick@aardvark-pro.com>
> To: <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: RE: [CR]Best ever hubs?
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> Chuck's email makes me wonder how much of the "failure lore" circulating
> about these hubs is actually true, although I have no doubt that radial
> spoking would be the kiss of death. Has a CR member actually experienced
a
> failure w/these hubs?
>
>
>
> Dave Patrick
> Chelsea, Michigan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org
> [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org]On Behalf Of Chuck
> Schmidt
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:29 PM
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Best ever hubs?
>
>
> Tom Dalton wrote:
> >
> > Bob Hovey wrote-
> > the C-Record high flange "Sheriff's Star"
> > hubs...
> > perhaps the nicest-looking component Campy ever produced.
> >
> > One of the nicest looking indeed... and one of the more failure-prone.
> They were significantly heavier than the Record high flange, yet less
> durable. I'd still like to own a pair, however.
>
>
> There was a lot of discussion on the rec.bicycles.tech newsgroup years
> ago about the flanges failing. I think radial spoking these would be a
> very bad idea and anything less than 3 cross would not be recommended.
>
> My 1985 Bianchi Centenario was spec'd with these hubs spoked 4 cross and
> I have been running the track version spoked 3 cross on my Waterford
> "road/track" for a couple of years now without any problems so far.
>
> The hubs, with their large cutouts, are hypnotizing to watch spinning in
> the sun on a ride. And the unbroken curve of the hub profile, where it
> sweeps from the edge of the large flange all the way out to the QR
> skewers is sublime (in my opinion of course).
>
> http://www.sheldonbrown.com/
> your hubs to the Official Authorized Recycling Facility (same as my home
> address).
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> South Pasadena, Southern California
>
>
>
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> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:57:24 EST
> From: Philcycles@aol.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Best ever pedals
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> My vote for conventional pedals goes to a hybrid-Superbe cages on an XC
Pro
> body. Thry're the best, they even have Grease Guard!
> Phil Brown
> Still wishing it would warm up in San Rafael, Calif
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>
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:32:31 -0500
> From: "Bingham, Wayne R." <WBINGHAM@imf.org>
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: RE: SPAM: [CR]Leather Handlebar Tape - NOT for the fainthearted
8*)
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> >>>>[CR]Leather Handlebar Tape - NOT for the fainthearted 8*)<<<<
>
> Handlebars in Bondage.
>
> Whoa....Wonder how that would look on my wife's pink De Rosa...
>
> The mind boggles.
>
> Wayne Bingham
> Falls Church VA
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