Re: [CR]Handlebars at the Japanese auction & Numismatics

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From: "Raoul Delmare" <Raoul.L.Delmare@worldnet.att.net>
To: "C.R. List" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, "Bruce C." <BruceCumberland@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [CR]Handlebars at the Japanese auction & Numismatics
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:23:43 -0600


Numismatics - Coin Collecting

The lovely Cinelli stem and handlebar at the auction site ( address listed below in Dennis' message ) , are truly beautiful .

But as far as basic shapes , that stem looks steep . To me , it just looks like a track stem , with a track handlebar . That is track equipment . That's what they used . They still do use those sorts of shapes . During the 1970's , and into the 1980's , that sort of stem & handlebar combination was beautiful , and considered some of the very best , but that combination was very common equipment on the very best track bicycles .

And Cinelli certainly made a "criterium bend" which was a handlebar for the road , with a very track-like shape .

And some road riders have always liked that sort of bend . And you can ride , "on-the-tops" . But it's just very different from a Maes bend , or a randonneur bend , etc .

HOWEVER !

The ONLY thing I see worth talking about in those photos ( besides just agreeing that yes , Cinelli made large numbers of beautiful stems and handlebars ) is that I am surprised such a MISTAKE made it out of the Cinelli factory !!

The reason there is a close-up photo , at the very bottom of that page . . .

Is because the "Cinelli Knight" is a VERY interesting mistake !!

Instead of being struck only 1 time , by the die with the design on it , it appears to have been struck 4 times !!!!

In numismatics ( coin collecting ) I think this sort of thing is still just said to be "double struck" . But this rare handlebar was "double-struck" , for a total of 4 times !!!!

By the way , handlebars ( Cinelli , 3TTT , GB , Nitto , Belleri , etc. ) are not "engraved" at the factory . I have seen custom handlebars , which were taken to an actual engraver , and custom engraved ! But , factory handlebars are not engraved . They are struck , or stamped , like a coin . That stamped-in design , in coin-collected , is said to be "incused" . A design lower than its surroundings is incused . The opposite , a raised-up design , is in relief .

Taller than surroundings - Relief , Cameo

Lower than surroundings - Incused , Incised , Impressed , Intaglio , Engraved

( but cameo and intaglio are carved , not stamped , and engraving is carving of a sort , not stamping )

Oh ! And that center area , with all of the small parallel lines ? Those handlebars have a center which has been "reeded" . Many fine handlebars have a reeded center-band .

Raoul Delmare
Marysville Kansas


----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Young
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:59 PM
Subject: [CR]Handlebars at the Japanese auction



> I'm not sure what model handlebar this is, but it is very nicely shaped.
> The seller says these are rare? Track bars? Take a look. The most elegant
> handlebars I have ever seen were on a exquisite Herse track bike. Few Herse
> track bikes were produced, right Jan? People don't or can't do that bar
> work anymore. Those curves were alive!
>
>
> Photos at the bottom of the page.

http://page6.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/f11194492
> Dennis Young
> I work a lot with curves in Hotaka, Japan