Re: [CR]Mario Masi ??????

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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:29:59 -0700
From: "Chuck Schmidt" <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: Re: [CR]Mario Masi ??????
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Mark Agree wrote:
>
> A couple of months ago I was inquiring about my Italian Masi (thank you
> again Matteo!), and a well known, vintage bike educated collector emailed me
> about the "V"s on these frames representing that they were built at the
> Vigorelli. His information came directly from a conversation with Alberto Masi
> himself, while chatting in person, in recent years.
> I'm curious of what discussion has there been regarding this piece of
> information, and what the consensus of opinion might be (or have been) about it.

Hi Mark, deja vu all over again (January 2002):

================================================================================= Archive-URL: http://search.bikelist.org/getmsg.asp?Filename=classicrendezvous.10201.0173.eml From: Roadgiant@cs.com Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:19:07 EST

Subject: [CR]MASI confusion--a reply to Ken

Hi Scott,

I noticed your comments on the CR group regarding so-called "congfente touches" on your Masi. It is a myth of very high proportions to think that because your bike has a couple of holes drilled on the downward pointing lip on the seat lug that it is a Confente touch. As an owner of four Milan built Masi's, one of which has three graduated holes in the area you describe, I often wondered about that, so I posed the question to Alberto, who replied that it was a creative liberty that many of the builders of Italian Masi frames took. I also have a masi with a "V" stamped in the BB shell and on the steerer. To many, the assujmption would be that the frame was built in Verona - funny thing is that it was built at the Vigorelli shop (according to the invoice) and it does NOT have the three holes.

I think it's time to put some of these myths to rest once and for all.

Now that Confente sighting is another story (probably one that I've also heard ad-nauseum).

Please feel free to share my comments with your CR group.

Take care, Ken Denny

================================================================================= Archive-URL: http://search.bikelist.org/getmsg.asp?Filename=classicrendezvous.10201.0179.eml Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 17:42:56 -0800 From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> Subject: [CR]Welcome to the Ken Denny Forum...

Ken Denny wrote:
>
> (cut) I also have a
> masi with a "V" stamped in the BB shell and on the steerer. To many, the
> assujmption would be that the frame was built in Verona - funny thing is that
> it
> was built at the Vigorelli shop (according to the invoice) and it does NOT
> have
> the three holes. -----------------------

I guess I don't understand the point of the above.

A Masi from Verona has to have three holes? Mario Confente never built a Masi without three holes? A Masi built in Verona is not stamped with a "V"? A bike from Vigorelli (in Milan) is not stamped "M" for Milan, but "V" for Vigorelli? I would accept as fact that the letter stamped on a Masi indicates the city it was built in.

Which would I believe? The letter stamped into the steel of a bottom bracket with a steel die, or an invoice? I pick what's stamped on the bike frame and not what is typed on the invoice!

Chuck Schmidt SoPas, SoCal =================================================================================

Chuck Schmidt South Pasadena, Southern California

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