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Skip Sinatra, a distant cousin Frog Level, VA
>From: "skip sinatra" <skipsinatra@hotmail.com>
>To: halbike@yahoo.com, Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]The ethics of ending auctions early on vintage items on
>eBay.
>Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:20:24 +0000
>
>I have to agree with Paul.....and also agree with the sentiments of Charles
>in a later post. I don't think its off-topic because the existence of ebay
>brings a lot of us vintage parts that were otherwise economically
>unavailable. Ebay is like so many other things in life in that there is no
>such thing as a free lunch. I have been burned but more often than not, i
>get fair (or in some cases more than fair) value for my dollars. People
>list items to sell them. Having had stuff 'sold from under me', I always
>assume that something could be sold off ebay. In fact its a seller's option
>to delist something as 'no longer for sale'. Thus, if its something i
>really really want, and the item is unbid, I always ask a buyer what they
>are looking for and sometimes pay it. I don't think it unethical for
>either of us to do so. Sniping too is part of the game and it would be
>nice if auctions could be extended....
>
>
>>From: halbike <halbike@yahoo.com>
>>To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>>Subject: Re: [CR]The ethics of ending auctions early on vintage items on
>>eBay.
>>Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 14:02:38 -0800 (PST)
>>
>>There are A LOT of games being played on ebay. Bidders
>>bid and retract without pentalty -sometimes because
>>other people offer bidders the same item for less,
>>sometimes for BID SHIELDING reasons(see ebay) Lots of
>>Bogus bidders do not pay and ebay only provides the
>>hollow remedy of negative feedback (They do not
>>require a credit card or positive id from bidders as
>>they do from seller). Fees are high and listing fees
>>still have to be paid if the bidder does not pay,
>>easily $5-10 on a quality item. If my auction has
>>reached what I consider a good price and the bidder
>>looks solid or is known to me -I sometimes end and
>>sell for the current price because it is in my best
>>interest-
>>
>>If you want to bid, bid. If you are playing last
>>miniute snipe games you might get left out--
>>Paul Genaro
>>Sidney NY
>>
>>--- OROBOYZ@aol.com wrote:
>> > I just had a question from a list member about this
>> > (troubling in my opinion)
>> > tendency of late for sellers of old bike parts
>> > stopping auctions to accept a
>> > (presumably high) offer from a buyer, thereby
>> > nipping in the bud all standing
>> > offers from others.
>> >
>> > I have copied my response below, in order to elicit
>> > your opinions and
>> > comments. I think it is on topic because so many of
>> > us find the bits and pieces for
>> > our old bikes through eBay.......
>> >
>> >
>> > << I (believe) that canceling an eBay auction
>> > before it is allowed to run
>> > it's course is unethical on the part of the seller,
>> > and by logical extension,
>> > to the buyer.
>> >
>> > In my opinion, when one offers an item for sale in
>> > an eBay auction, that
>> > constitutes an agreement to enter into a
>> > pre-established defined system of trade,
>> > a set process, agreed upon "terms of sale".
>> >
>> > To allow someone (in this case, you) to make an
>> > offer that changes those
>> > agreed upon term or conditions. and remove all the
>> > bidders efforts to jointly bid,
>> > is a violation of this agreement and of ethics. If
>> > the other bidders were
>> > made aware of the "behind the scenes" offer and
>> > given a chance to beat it, that
>> > would be fair. But then we would be right back in an
>> > auction context as eBay
>> > allows.
>> >
>> > Ending an auction to accept a particular person's
>> > offer, to the detriment and
>> > elimination of all other bidders, eliminates the
>> > promised competition to buy
>> > at a highest bid. It simply is not playing fair.
>> >
>> > I personally would cease bidding on items placed for
>> > sale by sellers who
>> > ended auctions early to accept out-of-auction
>> > offers.
>> >
>> > That's my opinion.....
>> >
>> > Dale Brown
>> > Greensboro, NC
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