I have to disagree with your interpretation of new. I do not think that an item that has been installed in any way, shape, or form should be represented as new. To me new is something that may have been out of the package for inspection and then replaced. Maybe a better description is take-off. [As in installed and removed ]
Secondly I think the use of the term NOS is grossly overused by sellers in listings. My evaluation system reduces the price of an item by 20- 30% if it is not fresh and in the original packaging. That to me is NOS.
There is nothing wrong with these take-off / out of the wrapper items. They are just not 'NOS' in my mind's eye.If a merchant or seller sold me an item without telling me it had been used prior; I would not be very pleased.
There is nothing wrong with these take-off items as long as they are not represented as being 'NEW.'
Nick Zatezalo Atlanta,Ga
> [Original Message]
> From: Stephen Barner <steve@sburl.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Date: 12/30/2003 6:11:31 PM
> Subject: [CR]eBay...and another thing!
>
> So, what other description would he use? Although it has been partially
> installed, it has not been used. Even if it had been fully installed, it
> would not have been used. It would be fraudulent to describe it as NOS
> without the disclaimer, since the part might have marks or finish damage
by
> improper installation techniques and potential bidders should know this
> ahead of time. However, many (most?) of us look for keywords in auction
> titles to determine whether or not to read into the auction description.
> Without the NOS in the title, the headset might languish unrecognized for
> what it is.
>
> Look at it this way, if this headset was in the inventory of a
framebuilder
> and someone ordered a frame with Campy NR headset installed, I would fully
> expect the framebuilder to install this one without even mentioning to the
> purchaser that the cups had been inserted into another frame. There is
> really no reason to. This happens all the time in the most reputable
shops.
> New means that it isn't used, not that it's untouched by human hands.
>
> Steve Barner, Bolton, Vermont
>
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> >Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 14:49:46 -0500 (EST)
> > From: Nick Zatezalo <nickzz@mindspring.com>
> > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Subject: [CR]eBay...and another thing!
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> > When is an item NOS? [ New Old Stock ]
> >
> > Check the following auction for one interpretation.
> >
> > At least he spells out HIS meaning by description.
> >
> >
>
http://ebay.com/
> >
> > Nick Zatezalo
> > Atlanta,Ga