Another tip. I have a large deep box about the size of a small refrigerator that I fill with any cast off packing material, bubble wrap, plastic grocery bags, and all manner of boxes. When I ship parts, pack frames, or need something else for shipping, I can just dip into the big box and find whatever I need. Those of you who have received parts from me in Single Malt Scotch cyclindrical boxes can substantiate my packrat nature. Wife doesn't complain too much because that one big box is much neater than a pile of junk. Lou Deeter, Orlando FL