Fw: [CR]bikes, Masis, fenders, Fenders, pianos, Steinways

<Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Cc: <oroboyz@aol.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [CR]bikes, Masis, fenders, Fenders, pianos, Steinways

> Thomas wrote:
>
> <<At this point I would suggest that WE own this list >>
>
> Thomas, perhaps you should make a substantial monetary donation to Dale for
> the CR for operations and editing costs before you can vaguely claim "WE own
> the list". While bikelist.org is a donated service that Dale is associated
> with, he has placed substantial time and effort bringing up his own server
> and website to further the ideals and discussion of vintage bikes on the CR.
>
> This forum is the BEST for vintage discussions and we are permitted
> participation at Dale's behest. May I suggest that there is MUCH that goes
> on behind the scenes to make the CR possible that you and I are unaware.
> Your claim to owning the CR list ignores the Dale's time, sweat, and may I
> say tears that sometimes are associated with the CR.
>
> Thomas, if you are dissatisfied with how the CR functions that you declare
> "WE own this list," I suggest that you have every right to start your own
> listserver. Prehaps then you will fully realize the personal and monetary
> effort needed to sustain a winning effort. Of course, you could always
> transfer to the BOB forum...
>
> Regards, Steve Neago
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Thomas Rawson" <twrawson@worldnet.att.net>
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 2:02 PM
> Subject: [CR]bikes, Masis, fenders, Fenders, pianos, Steinways
>
>
> > Dale et al,
> > Ive been hesitant to remind anyone I said this a couple years ago
> > but indeed I am the guy who once suggested Dale's ruling (on some
> > issue at the time) felt a little like the kid with the baseball
> > bat who didn t like the way the game was going...
> >
> > I was reminded of that this morning as I noticed my body reaction
> > to Dales words "list owner". I thought - wow is that how my
> > friend Dale thinks of himself? He OWNS this list? If I wanna play
> > he "owns" some piece of me?
> >
> > Dale your started this list. That makes you an original and the
> > originator. You also manage this list - an ongoing requirement.
> > That this list and your website exists means I "owe" you - big
> > time, but in these troubled times Im spending a lot of time
> > thinking about what it means to be a citizen and the notions of
> > freedom of speech loom large for me. The internet is unique and
> > we're all learning what the rules of engagement are. But Id like
> > to suggest that no one owns this list and once someone starts to
> > think of it that way and control the thinking, writing and
> > communicating that goes on surely it will die. As it should. And
> > lately it feels like it is.
> >
> > At this point I would suggest that WE own this list and that
> > without the ability to push and shove each other a little and to
> > explore topics of interest we all will stop coming. 700 members -
> > really? Where are they? I count 20 or 30 regulars. Ive been quiet
> > lately because Ive been bored with the topics. I often like E
> > Ritchies threads and I really appreciated the Steinway story. It
> > was absolutely relevant to me and others and if you cant find the
> > relevance thats OK to. If you havent seen Red Violin and/or if
> > you didnt get it, then you wont get this. Hearing Brian go on
> > about Falierio and Alberto and Mario is way cool to. I have been
> > waiting for our British friends who wanted to revolt and secede
> > last year to start their own website about British Marques to
> > speak up. Tell me about Ephgrave, Gillot, Thanet etc etc.
> > Really - bring it on. Or we can talk about how California
> > Cabernet influences your thinking about bicycles. Hilary has
> > twice in recent times chimed in with exquisite insights to the
> > Hetchins threads yet mostly hes about EBay selling. Thats not
> > interesting to me. I dont complain but I gather he is a treaure
> > trove of history and info - where is it? What would it take?
> >
> > Ive tried on several occasions to get things going in another
> > direction but my sense is the "regulars" werent interested or
> > didnt get it and the other 680 people werent listening??? Of
> > course maybe my idea was OT or dumb. So I sit back and listen.
> >
> > But I wonder if our rules arent just a little too tight.
> >
> > Tom Rawson
> > in Oakland, CA
> > sans Cabernet, Euphroag AND Latte - yikes!