I was a dealer for Carlton at Colley Ave Bike Shop in 1965-66 and then went on to Huffy Azusa's plant and the attempt to market them in the USA. Very few were the same and there were versions that went to dealers In Virginia that were altogether different that ones sold in the UK or on the West coast thru Huffy Azusa. The company at that time was bending over for any distributor that would help to market them. Raliegh won out... I have seen so many different Calton flyer models it hurts, I rode one coast to caost in 66' and am quite fond of those rough riding heavy devils..
Depending on the day it left Worksop, it might have any combination of parts..period
Freddy Parr Palms California 90034 310-204-5689 http://www.probikeshop.com fredparr@fredparr.com http://www.parrbikes.com .........................................................................................................................................Freddy ....
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> 1. Re: Bike Brand Signature Colors (Thomas R. Adams, Jr.)
> 2. Re: A couple of Campag questions/options
> 3. Merlin for sale 1938 (Pete Paine)
> 4. Re: a few thoughts on Campy sliding hub shifters (David Feldman)
> 5. Baylis computor/A Classic Trip (John Pergolizzi)
> 6. Campy sliding hub shifters & Simplex (bikenut)
> 7. Gran Sport expert, or fiction writer? (Stephen Barner)
> 8. RE: A couple of Campag questions (Mark)
> 9. Re: Gran Sport expert, or fiction writer? (Donald F. Dunstan)
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>Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:10:28 +0000
>From: "Thomas R. Adams, Jr." <kctommy@msn.com>
>To: mmeison@scubadiving.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]Bike Brand Signature Colors
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>I would say the "most classic" Trek racing colors were the all white bikes
>with Blue or Red panels on the down tube or seat tube, depending on whether
>the bike was constructed with Columbus or Reynolds tubing. I would still
>vote for those as the best looking bikes Trek ever built.
>
>Tom Adams, Shrewsbury NJ
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> >Trek - that greenish colour that I never could identify.
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>Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:33:02 EDT
>From: NortonMarg@aol.com
>To: brucerobbins@supanet.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]A couple of Campag questions/options
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>In a message dated 8/13/03 6:26:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
>brucerobbins@supanet.com writes:
>
>
> > Also, I have a 1961/62 Flying Scot with front and rear Gran Sport
> > derailleurs,
> > a Stronglight 49D chainset with 48/52 chainrings and a 14-24 five-speed
> > block.
> > I hope to swap the chainrings for something like 36/48. Will the front
> > derailleur be able to handle that? What would be the smallest inner ring
> > that
> > the front mech would be capable of handling?
> >
>
>The front won't shift well with more than a 5 tooth difference, nor will
>the
>rear handle the amount of chain difference from a 10 tooth jump on the
>front.
>For the front, you might want to try an early Record mechanism with the
>cable
>stop to keep compatibility with your downtube cable clamp and shift
>housing.
>For the rear (presuming you want to stick with the early gears) try a
>Record
>mech. If it doesn't take up enough chain, you can (horrors) fit it with the
>long Rally cage plates. It wouldn't be quite stock, but it would be
>"vintage"
>and more appropriate than modern parts.
>Stevan Thomas
>Alameda, CA
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:55:24 +0100
>From: "Pete Paine" <petebike7@btopenworld.com>
>To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: [CR]Merlin for sale 1938
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>Hello All I have for sale another 23 inch ctt Merlin 1938 Continental =
>model for sale.These were the London built bike of nice quality with the =
>special Merlin front fork ends. The bike came to me from its original =
>owner from new ,who has now gone into a home
>It is original unrestored condition with transfers (faded) with mainly =
>the correct period parts.=20
>For further info or some jpegs please contact me off list
>$650 plus shipping
>
>Cheers Pete Paine Watford
> =20
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>Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:08:24 -0700 (PDT)
>From: David Feldman <feldmanbike@yahoo.com>
>To: NortonMarg@aol.com, chuckschmidt@earthlink.net,
> classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]a few thoughts on Campy sliding hub shifters
>Message-ID: <20030813150824.27191.qmail@web20422.mail.yahoo.com>
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>I think Simplex as a derailleur brand predates Campy's
>system by about ten years.
>David Feldman
>Vancouver, WA
>--- NortonMarg@aol.com wrote:
> > In a message dated 8/12/03 10:41:01 PM Pacific
> > Daylight Time,
> > chuckschmidt@earthlink.net writes:
> >
> >
> > > all on Simplex.
> >
> > I'm wondering if Juy chose the name Simplex because
> > his mechanism was easier
> > to operate than the Campagnolo product?
> > Stevan Thomas
> > Alameda, CA
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>Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:22:27 -0400
>From: "John Pergolizzi" <jtperry@worldnet.att.net>
>To: <rocklube@adnc.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: [CR]Baylis computor/A Classic Trip
>Message-ID: <000b01c361ae$fdd69c50$88ab580c@D1KBTP11>
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>Attention all listees,
> The phone rang a few minutes ago. A request was made to speak to The
>Omnipotent Despot. Request was granted. VOP(voice on phone) identified
>himself as non other then The Troll himself, Brian Baylis!
> Salutations were exchanged with VOP and appropriate sacrifices were
>made.
> After a discussion about the upcoming Velo Rendezvous, a second
>request
>was then made: please let all interested list members aware of the
>potential imminent demise of his computer. She refuses to cooperate no
>matter how much heat he applies with the oxy-acetylene. "What the flux?"
>"Please insert disk" was his computers reply. "What? What disk? I don't
>need no stink'n disk!"
> So.... no e-mails, no "A classic trip part 2", no nothin. At least
>until a new old computer is booted up.
> Please be patient while Brian figures out that the socket in the wall
>ain't for his little finger but for the plug on the tower.
>Wish him luck.
>
>
>John T.Pergolizzi
>O.D.
>BVVW
>In N.Y.C. but in a SoCal state of mind
>I've got my reservations at The Old Pasadena Marriott. Do you have yours?
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:56:00 -0700
>From: "bikenut" <bikenut@gte.net>
>To: "Classic Rendevous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: [CR]Campy sliding hub shifters & Simplex
>Message-ID: <000901c361b3$64b17ea0$5d193c04@dslverizon.net>
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>Stevan,
>Lucien Juy and his company Simplex were working on and
>producing derailleurs before Tullio Campagnolo patented
>his first Quick Release Hub in 1930....
>
>Matt 'LJ' Gorski
>Belmont Shore, CA
> >
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <NortonMarg@aol.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 7:14 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [CR]a few thoughts on Campy sliding hub shifter
> > > > In a message dated 8/12/03 10:41:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> > > > chuckschmidt@earthlink.net writes:
> > > >
> > > > > all on Simplex.
> > > >
> > > > I'm wondering if Juy chose the name Simplex because his mechanism
>was
> > > easier
> > > > to operate than the Campagnolo product?
> > > > Stevan Thomas
> > > > Alameda, CA
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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>
>Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:35:30 -0400
>From: "Stephen Barner" <steve@sburl.com>
>To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: [CR]Gran Sport expert, or fiction writer?
>Message-ID: <001501c361b8$e9f96be0$f800a8c0@bourke>
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>Reading the description about this Raleigh Gran Sport, one might think the
>writer was a true Carleton expert, but I think he is engaging in some
>superlative historical fiction. I remember the white & baby blue Gran
>Sports
>as being a really nice, underappreciated model, but 1960? I don't think
>so.
>Maybe a dozen years later, but not 1960. I remember the Gran Sport as
>having decent Simplex delrin derailleurs and Normandy Competition hubs.
>This
>one has a Valentino rear, Record front, and Campy hubs. I think at some
>point, the Gran Sport switched to forged dropouts.
>
>Anyone able to date this bike and know what it would have come with? Mark
>Bulgier has a '74 catalog on his website that shows the Gran Sport with
>forged dropouts and a chainguard on the Nervar Star. I'm thinking this one
>is somewhere between 71-73.
>
>http://ebay.com/<blah>
>
>Steve Barner, Bolton, Vermont
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:59:08 -0400
>From: "Mark" <rena.cutrufelli@comcast.net>
>To: <brucerobbins@supanet.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: RE: [CR]A couple of Campag questions
>Message-ID:
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>
>Another option for the Flying Scott might be to get a Shimano hyperglide
>(contact Sheldon Brown if not available in your area)with the great big
>34 tooth bailout gear if available for your hub.. I did and it gets my
>unfit 52 year old legs almost there even with a Campagnolo SR 53/42 in
>the front. It is very inexpensive and is durable-just not period
>correct. I don't know the capacity of your rear derailler but if
>insufficient, there are still mods.
>
>
>Best Wishes
>Mark (Breakaleggo) Cutrufelli in
>Laurel, MD (Halfway between Baltimore and Washington DC)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org
>[mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of
>brucerobbins@supanet.com
>Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 9:26 AM
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]A couple of Campag questions
>
>
>
>Laying bare my ignorance of Campagnolo, what is the smallest chainring
>that will fit an old style (early 80s?)Pista chainset and would anyone
>want to swap one for a 52-tooth ring?
>
>Also, I have a 1961/62 Flying Scot with front and rear Gran Sport
>derailleurs, a Stronglight 49D chainset with 48/52 chainrings and a
>14-24 five-speed block. I hope to swap the chainrings for something like
>36/48. Will the front derailleur be able to handle that? What would be
>the smallest inner ring that the front mech would be capable of
>handling?
>
>Unfit, 42-year-old legs eagerly await your answers...
>
>Bruce
>Dundee
>Scotland
>
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>Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:06:42 -0500
>From: "Donald F. Dunstan" <donalddunstan@wtconnect.com>
>To: "Stephen Barner" <steve@sburl.com>,
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: Re: [CR]Gran Sport expert, or fiction writer?
>Message-ID: <006701c361bd$4848f540$b5a4e840@D1SH8R21>
>References: <CATFOODvJVzJKbMsKRx00002b86@catfood.nt.phred.org>
> <001501c361b8$e9f96be0$f800a8c0@bourke>
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>
>Re: Raleigh GRan Sport
>
>Here is a 1962 Gran Sport:
>
> http://www.oldtowncyclery.com/
>
>Here is a 1976 Raleigh Gran Sport:
>
>http://retroraleighs.com/catalogs/1976/pages/07-76-Gran-Sport.html
>
>The ebay bike is a mid 70's bike. Nice bike, but not from the 60's
>
>Cheers,
>
>Donald F. Dunstan
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Stephen Barner" <steve@sburl.com>
>To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 11:35 AM
>Subject: [CR]Gran Sport expert, or fiction writer?
>
>
> > Reading the description about this Raleigh Gran Sport, one might think
>the
> > writer was a true Carleton expert, but I think he is engaging in some
> > superlative historical fiction. I remember the white & baby blue Gran
>Sports
> > as being a really nice, underappreciated model, but 1960? I don't think
>so.
> > Maybe a dozen years later, but not 1960. I remember the Gran Sport as
> > having decent Simplex delrin derailleurs and Normandy Competition hubs.
>This
> > one has a Valentino rear, Record front, and Campy hubs. I think at some
> > point, the Gran Sport switched to forged dropouts.
> >
> > Anyone able to date this bike and know what it would have come with?
>Mark
> > Bulgier has a '74 catalog on his website that shows the Gran Sport with
> > forged dropouts and a chainguard on the Nervar Star. I'm thinking this
>one
> > is somewhere between 71-73.
> >
> >
>http://ebay.com/<blah>
> >
> > Steve Barner, Bolton, Vermont
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
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