Re: [CR]Cinelli stem length

> Listmembers,
>
> What was the shortest stem that Cinelli made? Does anyone have a short one
> for sale?
>
> Thanks,
> Rick Robbins
> Ada, (the sky's lightn' up tonite) Ohio
>
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> 1. Motobecane History
> 2. RE: Motobecane History (Scott)
> 3. GB update. and ebay outing (Pete Paine)
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> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:44:49 -0400
> From: Dwhitney@sheridancorp.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Motobecane History
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> I'm a new lister that hasn't introduced myself yet, so I thought I'd share
> some fun info I received from a former Motobecane sales rep - Mike Edgerton.
> I purchased a Nuovo Record headset for my 1973 Grand Record frame to replace
> the original Stronglite Competition, and he sent me the following note:
>
> I was the first Motobecane sales rep in the state of Oregon many years ago.
> I worked for a company called RH Brown that was the distributor for that
> bike. The guy that imported the bikes into the US was a guy named Ben Lawee
> that had a company in Long Beach, Ca. The original Grand Record (pronounced
> Reh-coord) had three tubes of Reynolds 531(the main tubes), the rest was
> chrome moly. It had a Stronglight cotterless crank set, Weinman center pull
> brakes, Campy NR deraileurs front and rear, and clincher 27 X 1 1/4 tires.
> The original model came in two colors, silver and black, and yellow and
> black. A few years later they added Black with red and dropped the yellow.
> The first Grand Champion ( the Luis Ocana bike, he won Le Tour that year)
> that came into the country came in as a special order for me. I was racing
> track primarily but trained on the road (as everyone else did). This little
> French guy that was the factory rep measured me like I was buying a suit and
> entered the order. That would have been an orange BIC colored bike. The next
> year I got the first purple one. I also owned every Le Champion model.
> Motobecane finally died in the US when they tried to eliminate the
> distributors and main importer and go directly to the bike shops, hoping to
> sell them mopeds as well. Becane is a slang word for bicycle in France and
> Motobecane is the name they gave their mopeds. That was their big business.
> I actually interviewed after I came to New jersey for a job with Motobecane
> USA. They were real A-holes. Now if you're really eager to find a treasure
> trove of vintage Motobecanes, an entire ocean container full (300 bikes)
> fell off a ship in the port of Le Harve in about 1975. I'm sure it's still
> there.
>
> And there you have more history than you ever wanted. I can't remember the
> name of the distributor that was in New England, I believe they were Boston
> based. I met the owner at a function once.
>
> I think if I couldn't get the right bearing races for your old headset I
> would simply use loose
> balls. Put in one less than fills the entire race and hold them in place
> with grease. Chances are your Stronglight would have come that way. By the
> way, if I can find the e-mail, there was a woman looking for a French
> headset. I don't think she was tied to Campy. I'll forward it to you if I
> still have it.
>
> Mike.
>
> I asked Mike if I could share this with the Classicrendezvous list, and he
> obliged.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave Whitney
> Portland, Maine
>
>
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> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:30:07 -0400
> From: "Scott" <g3forme@mindspring.com>
> To: <Dwhitney@sheridancorp.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: RE: [CR]Motobecane History
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> Great post! I just acquired a 74 Grand Record, silver & black, and am =
> very
> interested in Motobecane and their history. Thanks for sharing!
>
> Scott Dapson
> Syracuse, New York=20
>
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> Dwhitney@sheridancorp.com
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> Subject: [CR]Motobecane History
>
> I'm a new lister that hasn't introduced myself yet, so I thought I'd =
> share
> some fun info I received from a former Motobecane sales rep - Mike =
> Edgerton.
> I purchased a Nuovo Record headset for my 1973 Grand Record frame to =
> replace
> the original Stronglite Competition, and he sent me the following note:
>
> I was the first Motobecane sales rep in the state of Oregon many years =
> ago.
> I worked for a company called RH Brown that was the distributor for that
> bike. The guy that imported the bikes into the US was a guy named Ben =
> Lawee
> that had a company in Long Beach, Ca. The original Grand Record =
> (pronounced
> Reh-coord) had three tubes of Reynolds 531(the main tubes), the rest was
> chrome moly. It had a Stronglight cotterless crank set, Weinman center =
> pull
> brakes, Campy NR deraileurs front and rear, and clincher 27 X 1 1/4 =
> tires.
> The original model came in two colors, silver and black, and yellow and
> black. A few years later they added Black with red and dropped the =
> yellow.
> The first Grand Champion ( the Luis Ocana bike, he won Le Tour that =
> year)
> that came into the country came in as a special order for me. I was =
> racing
> track primarily but trained on the road (as everyone else did). This =
> little
> French guy that was the factory rep measured me like I was buying a suit =
> and
> entered the order. That would have been an orange BIC colored bike. The =
> next
> year I got the first purple one. I also owned every Le Champion model.
> Motobecane finally died in the US when they tried to eliminate the
> distributors and main importer and go directly to the bike shops, hoping =
> to
> sell them mopeds as well. Becane is a slang word for bicycle in France =
> and
> Motobecane is the name they gave their mopeds. That was their big =
> business.
> I actually interviewed after I came to New jersey for a job with =
> Motobecane
> USA. They were real A-holes. Now if you're really eager to find a =
> treasure
> trove of vintage Motobecanes, an entire ocean container full (300 bikes)
> fell off a ship in the port of Le Harve in about 1975. I'm sure it's =
> still
> there.
>
> And there you have more history than you ever wanted. I can't remember =
> the
> name of the distributor that was in New England, I believe they were =
> Boston
> based. I met the owner at a function once.
>
> I think if I couldn't get the right bearing races for your old headset I
> would simply use loose
> balls. Put in one less than fills the entire race and hold them in place
> with grease. Chances are your Stronglight would have come that way. By =
> the
> way, if I can find the e-mail, there was a woman looking for a French
> headset. I don't think she was tied to Campy. I'll forward it to you if =
> I
> still have it.
>
> Mike.
>
> I asked Mike if I could share this with the Classicrendezvous list, and =
> he
> obliged.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave Whitney
> Portland, Maine
>
>
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> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 19:11:13 +0100
> From: "Pete Paine" <petebike7@btopenworld.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]GB update. and ebay outing
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> Hello All I have started another page on my GB website
> (GB info) Have found a pic of GB himself at Earles Court in
> 1955. not a good pic but the stand looks to be made of a Giant GB =
> caliper !! I have also put a couple of items on ebay
> including a Sturmey KSW .Use Oldcyclebits to search
>
> Cheers Pete Paine Watford
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