I'd like to hear about it if you make up a long cage version.
Thanks,
Tom Sanders
Lansing, Mi
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> 1. My 1st customised SR rear deraileur..... (Wayne Davidson)
> 2. Seeking some help for my website (Brian Baylis)
> 3. Re: 60s Cinelli at the baths - I got it! (dave martinez)
> 4. Hinault Look Reynolds 753 frame (John Quigley)
> 5. Shimano 6 to 7 sp adaptor
> 6. Now: Check that Weyless seapost (Derek Willburn)
> 7. re: 60s Cinelli at the baths - I got it! (HM & SS Sachs)
> 8. Re: Re: Phil Wood Hubs (Daniel Swords)
> 9. Re: Hinault Look Reynolds 753 frame (Joe Bender-Zanoni)
> 10. Check that Weyless seatpost..IMPORTANT CLARIFICATION!
> 11. Re: Hinault Look Reynolds 753 frame
> 12. Check that Weyless seatpost..IMPORTANT CLARIFICATION!
> (Raoul Delmare)
> 13. The Original Plastic Bike (First Flight Bicycles)
> 14. 1974 Raleigh Grand Sport value (Bryon Wright)
> 15. FLASH--Franco Suisse Wunder Bike C. 1938 Done (scott davis)
> 16. Re: Check that Weyless seatpost..IMPORTANT CLARIFICATION!
> (jerrymoos)
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> Date: Sun, 3 Aug 03 15:39:21 +1200
> From: Wayne Davidson <wayne.collect@xtra.co.nz>
> To: "CR BIKE LIST" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]My 1st customised SR rear deraileur.....
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> Hi all, just finished doing my first altered Campagnolo SR RD, I made it
> up from the remains of a SR and NOS parts from NR & SR RD's. Its
> basically a late model SR with silver top & bottom knuckles, I also threw
> somer athena pullies at it, but most likely will alter some C Record ones
> to fit, I was going to sell, but it just looks so good I'll probally keep
> it, esp due to the value of the parts one needs to make such a nice job.
> If anyone else has done similar I would like to hear from them, with pix
> would be good, I've yet to take any pix, but will real soon.
> My next project is to do the same, but this time instead of the silver
> overload will be black, real black......thanx for allowing me to
> dribble......wayne davidson Invers NZ, PS thanx to those who supplied the
> parts required......
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 21:00:05 -0700
> From: Brian Baylis <rocklube@adnc.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Seeking some help for my website
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> Dear Listmembers,
>
> I've been sort of lagging lately on account of a heavy burden of work
> and not feeling completely up to par, all at the same time. Suffering
> from writers' block during this period of low energy. Starting to feel
> better now, and I will try to spend a little more time at the computer.
> I have another "chapter" in the Day of a Masi Employee story.
>
> What I need now, as I embark on an overdue project, is to begin
> collecting photos of Baylis and Wizard bicycles that may belong to
> yourself or someone you know. I have plenty of bikes and photos of bikes
> that belong to me, but almost none that belong to customers. Since no
> two bikes are alike, the more the better. I hope to show the wide
> variety of work that I do. I plan for my website to be informational and
> educational, which is unconventional for the typical marketing tool that
> one generally visits. I plan to lay out the facts as I know them
> relating to the "artistic" aspects of framebuilding. I believe there is
> not enough information on this topic that is not marketing oriented, and
> I hope to shed some light on this misunderstood aspect of our craft. The
> technical aspects of framebuilding will be addressed in detail; but
> there will be no hype or sales pitch mixed in with the information. My
> site will be for the purposes of sharpening the eye and elevating the
> level of knowledge of the basic bicycle enthuesist, and providing the
> tools needed for anyone to "see through a paint job" so to speak, and
> recognize the finer and more subtle points of handmade frames and
> craftsmanship. I will let the individual decide what things are
> important to them.
>
> I am particularly interested in seeing older Wizard or Baylis frames in
> order to eventually establish a record of what I have built. I would
> like to start a registry if possible. That will not be as great a task
> as some might imagine. I'm pretty certain I produce the smallest number
> of handmade frames by a full time professional anywhere in the world. I
> also believe my business is completely unique in the bicycle "industry"
> and I'd like to explain why that is and how that effects what I make. I
> think some people may find it rather interesting. Since my perspective
> and approach make me a "black sheep" to the traditional bicycle media, I
> feel it is time to express my views.
>
> Thanks to anyone who is willing to help me gather photos. It will be a
> great help to me.
>
> Brian Baylis
> La Mesa, CA
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 21:13:32 -0700 (PDT)
> From: dave martinez <dmart84815@yahoo.com>
> To: "Feeken, Dirk" <dirk.feeken@sap.com>
> Cc: CR List <ClassicRendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]60s Cinelli at the baths - I got it!
> Message-ID: <20030803041332.81644.qmail@web41208.mail.yahoo.com>
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> Hello Dirk,
> Good score! I'm almost certain its a Mod.B. The fork crown appears to be
semi-sloping. Some Mod Bs had semi-slopping crowns. My early 50s Mod B has
one, Carsten sold an interesting Mod B with a semi-slopping crown thats the
same vintage as your find. As a matter of fact, while looking at Lionel
trains with my youngest son at Talbots in San Mateo, Ca., a customer brought
in a beautiful light pearl blue Cinelli Mod B to be upgraded with Campag
Record. When I asked about his Cinelli, he told me he bought it while he was
in the Air Force stationed in Germany in 1962. His Mod.B had a ornate
semi-sloping crown.
> Hope this helps,
> Dave Martinez
> Fremont Ca
>
> "Feeken, Dirk" <dirk.feeken@sap.com> wrote:
> The Cinelli I sighted some weeks ago is mine now!
> I regulary checked the bike parking area in the evenings and eventually it
was there again. This time I waited for the owner who hadn't the slightest
idea that his bike is something special. He got it for free from an older
gentlemen he worked for.
>
> Its in much poorer condition as I thought, but the tubes are straight.
See:
> http://home.t-online.de/
> http://home.t-online.de/
>
> Serial number is 7073. The original Campagnolo "no RECORD" HF hubs are
stamped 62.
> The seat lug is a typical Cinelli Super Corsa but the fork crown is a
traditional one. There's no bb oil port. Is the fork crown the only
difference between the SC and Mod B?
> The "Model XY" label is still partly visible at the seat tube but the
right part has gone and its not possible to identify a "SC" or "B". The seat
tube has two rainbow stripes with the enscription "Mod Campione del mundo"
in the black stripe.
> Can anyone confirm if its a SC, B or ...
> The whole frame is chromed with drop outs and head lugs in chrome. The
pre- owner has all chrome covered with thick black paint and parts of the
frame sprayed with blue paint (fortunately not the decals).
> It seems to have had the full Campagnolo set of 1962 including seat post,
hubs, cranks (155 BCD), bb, head set. (The derailleurs have been swapped but
I have correct 1960-63 Gran Sports).
> The rims are worthless steel clincher rims and I suspect that the red
brake lever hoods are also not correct.
> Looks like a lot of work (and fun).
> I have the name and adress of the original owner and will try to contact
him. Let's see what else is hiiden in the basement of somebody who gives
1962s Cinellis away.
>
> Dirk
>
>
> --- original message ---
> From: "Feeken, Dirk"
> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 02:41:24 +0200
> Subject: [CR]60s Cinelli at the baths
>
> I've just had one of the typical sightings over here:
> I took the hot sunny day of and went with my wife and our son to the local
> baths this afternoon. We parked our bicycles between hundreds of other
> bikes when my eye caught a pretty dirty vintage lightweight nearby. Oh my
> god..., a mid/late? 1960s Cinelli, old style lugs, flat fork crown,
> silver with
> old style decals, early Campagnolo old BCD cranks, high flange record
> hubs, bar end shifters, 1st gen Weinmann Vainquer 999 centerpulls, Brooks
> B17,.... too much old grease everywhere, probably not cleaned since 30
> years but complete, no rust, no bends, every part correct except a cheap
> 80s Huret
> rear derailleur and red plastic (chopper?) brake levers...
> Obviously not the bike of a collector but one of the many neglected "old
> bikes" used for the trip to the bath or cinema when you don't want to risk
> your good bike getting stolen. I seriously considered waiting for the
> owner but my son got the oh-no-dad-found-an-old-bike-again-look so I
attached a
> note to the Cinelli ("...museum piece....collector....please
> call..06224..") and went swimming.
> When we left the baths the Cinelli was gone (of course) with my note lying
> in the dust (of course).
>
> Dirk
>
> --
> Dirk Feeken
> Heidelberg
> Germany
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> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 23:16:30 -0700 (PDT)
> From: John Quigley <johnquigley1965@yahoo.com>
> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Hinault Look Reynolds 753 frame
> Message-ID: <20030803061630.15146.qmail@web40903.mail.yahoo.com>
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> Hello everyone, I recently purchased a Look Hinault bike , it is made with
Reynolds 753 frame & forks & I am not sure what year it is( havent got the
frame yet).. My question is: Did Look actually make these frames? I am
familiar with the newer Carbon & aluminum frames, but I wondered what they
did in the past regarding frames.
>
> Thank You,
> John A. Quigley
> Oklahoma City, OK
>
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>
> Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 02:38:51 EDT
> From: Tonythreerings@aol.com
> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Shimano 6 to 7 sp adaptor
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>
> Sorry if this is out of the time period (?), but does anyone know of a
source
> for the plastic washer type adapter used in Shimano bar ends to go from 6
to
> 7 speed rear derailleurs?
> Thanks,
> Aaron
>
> Aaron Lipstadt
> Hollywood, CA
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 00:23:51 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Derek Willburn <morganx9@yahoo.com>
> To: jaysports@lycos.com, CR <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Now: Check that Weyless seapost
> Message-ID: <20030803072351.6992.qmail@web40909.mail.yahoo.com>
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>
> Hello all,
> This story is probably my friend Joe that I ride with
> on Tuesday/Thursday Irvine rides. This crash happened
> last Sunday and he was riding his new Scattante from
> SuperGo. It had a Weyless seatpost that either broke a
> bolt or the bolt fell out. He was at the back of the
> group and was not run over but he did fall backwards
> off the bike suddenly and broke his neck. He is not
> paylized but did have a vertibrae replaced with
> titanium. I heard he is doing well and I hope to see
> him when they allow visitors.
>
> Classic content: I ride my Colnago on the Irvine rides
> and get lots of compliments and it is usually the only
> steel lugged bike in the group.
>
> Thanks,
> Derek Willburn
> Long Beach, CA
>
> --- Jay Van De Velde <jaysports@lycos.com> wrote:
> >
> > The downside of living with someone who works in
> > medical rehab is hearing about all the bike related
> > injuries that my wife sees. Today's tale: A 41 year
> > old guy riding in the middle of a group snaps his
> > seatpost, falling backwards at 25mph. Massive pileup
> > as others ride over him. Breaks his neck.I think
> > back to a recent ride on a CA Masi with pantographed
> > components, including fluting to the seatpost. After
> > the ride I saw what looked like just a crack in the
> > paint in the flutes, stuck an Exacto knife blade
> > point in it and the blade went all the way in, and
> > the crack went the entire way up the fluting. The
> > panto machine went too deep on that one. So, check
> > your seatposts regularly, and Hey, lets all be
> > careful out there.
> > Jay "Sgt Esterhaus" Van De Velde
> > Seal Beach,CA
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 08:44:05 -0400
> From: HM & SS Sachs <sachs@erols.com>
> To: dirk.feeken@sap.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: re: [CR]60s Cinelli at the baths - I got it!
> Message-ID: <3F2D0395.1050204@erols.com>
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>
> Dirk -
> May you enjoy your Cinelli for a long time. You ask how to tell if it is
an SC or a B model. Let me sharpen the question with another:
>
> I think that the SCs all used the 26.2 seat post, required because the
upper part of the seat tube is sleeved (maybe 4 - 5 cm, and easily seen).
This is a really nice feature, since it makes it much less likely that the
seat post will stick, much easier to adjust, etc. Not having seen a "B" for
a long time, did it have this feature?
>
> thanks
> harvey sachs
> mcLean va
> -------------------------------
>
> The Cinelli I sighted some weeks ago is mine now!
> I regulary checked the bike parking area in the evenings and eventually it
was there again. This time I waited for the owner who hadn't the slightest
idea that his bike is something special. He got it for free from an older
gentlemen he worked for.
>
> Its in much poorer condition as I thought, but the tubes are straight.
See:
> http://home.t-online.de/
> http://home.t-online.de/
>
> Serial number is 7073. The original Campagnolo "no RECORD" HF hubs are
stamped 62.
> The seat lug is a typical Cinelli Super Corsa but the fork crown is a
traditional one. There's no bb oil port. Is the fork crown the only
difference between the SC and Mod B?
> The "Model XY" label is still partly visible at the seat tube but the
right part has gone and its not possible to identify a "SC" or "B". The seat
tube has two rainbow stripes with the enscription "Mod Campione del mundo"
in the black stripe.
> Can anyone confirm if its a SC, B or ...
> The whole frame is chromed with drop outs and head lugs in chrome. The
pre- owner has all chrome covered with thick black paint and parts of the
frame sprayed with blue paint (fortunately not the decals).
> It seems to have had the full Campagnolo set of 1962 including seat post,
hubs, cranks (155 BCD), bb, head set. (The derailleurs have been swapped but
I have correct 1960-63 Gran Sports).
> The rims are worthless steel clincher rims and I suspect that the red
brake lever hoods are also not correct.
> Looks like a lot of work (and fun).
> I have the name and adress of the original owner and will try to contact
him. Let's see what else is hiiden in the basement of somebody who gives
1962s Cinellis away.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 05:46:03 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Daniel Swords <danielswords@yahoo.com>
> To: Cushdelmar@aol.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Phil Wood Hubs
> Message-ID: <20030803124603.31700.qmail@web14812.mail.yahoo.com>
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>
> I have two pairs of 1974 Phil Wood hubs. They were easy to rebuild. All
of the items needed, I purchased from Loose Screws. The sealed bearings
were held in place with Locktight and I was able to remove them out with no
problem. Replacement bearings can be found at a bearing supplier. I would
email the Phil Wood company for support.
>
> Daniel Swords
> New Orleans
>
> Cushdelmar@aol.com wrote:
> Phil Wood is still in business. I'm sure they have a website. As I
> recall the early Phil Wood hubs had to be returned to Phil Wood to be
> rebuilt.
>
> Jim Cushing-murray
> Del Mar CA
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> Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 09:24:38 -0400
> From: Joe Bender-Zanoni <joebz@optonline.net>
> To: John Quigley <johnquigley1965@yahoo.com>,
> Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Hinault Look Reynolds 753 frame
> Message-ID: <000b01c359c2$97f74cc0$6400a8c0@jfbender>
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>
> One of Chris Beyer's frames was a Hinault, 531 and made by Gitane. Nicest
> Gitane I have seen and neat badger emblems.
>
> Larry Black has this interesting frame now.
>
> Joe Bender-Zanoni
> Great Notch, NJ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Quigley" <johnquigley1965@yahoo.com>
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 2:16 AM
> Subject: [CR]Hinault Look Reynolds 753 frame
>
>
> > Hello everyone, I recently purchased a Look Hinault bike , it is made
with
> Reynolds 753 frame & forks & I am not sure what year it is( havent got the
> frame yet).. My question is: Did Look actually make these frames? I am
> familiar with the newer Carbon & aluminum frames, but I wondered what they
> did in the past regarding frames.
> >
> > Thank You,
> > John A. Quigley
> > Oklahoma City, OK
> >
> >
> >
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> Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 09:45:15 EDT
> From: OROBOYZ@aol.com
> To: morganx9@yahoo.com, jaysports@lycos.com,
> classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Check that Weyless seatpost..IMPORTANT CLARIFICATION!
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> In a message dated 8/3/2003 3:24:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> morganx9@yahoo.com writes:
>
> <<.........This crash happened last Sunday and he was riding his new
> Scattante from
> SuperGo. It had a Weyless seatpost that either broke a bolt or the bolt
fell
> out. He was at the back of the group and was not run over but he did fall
> backwards off the bike suddenly and broke his neck......... >>
>
> It is very important to clarify which "Weyless" seatpost involved here!
Just
> as with Motobecane, Mercier, and other classic names of bygone days,
> opportunistic retailers and importers are buying up rights to names which
illicit
> memories of quality and tradition but then place them on low cost product
often
> designed in haste and made by the lowest bidder..
>
> The brand name "Weyless" has been purchased and placed on Chinese made
> product as a marketing ploy by a vendor known for low prices and marketing
hype.
> These "modern" products have virtually no similarity to the "vintage" USA
made
> Weyless products of the 1970s and 80s. I have never heard of a made-in-USA
> Weyless seatpost failing.
>
> The clue in this story was the bicycle being identified as "Scattante"
which
> sounds Italian but is far from that. I hope the victim vigorously pursues
> these retailers and helps to get this crap off the
market....................
>
> Dale Brown
> Greensboro, North Carolina
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 09:49:10 EDT
> From: OROBOYZ@aol.com
> To: johnquigley1965@yahoo.com, Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Hinault Look Reynolds 753 frame
> Message-ID: <bb.34235186.2c5e6cd6@aol.com>
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>
> In a message dated 8/3/2003 2:17:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> johnquigley1965@yahoo.com writes:
>
> << I recently purchased a Look Hinault bike , it is made with Reynolds 753
> frame & forks & I am not sure what year it is( havent got the frame yet)..
My
> question is: Did Look actually make these frames? I am familiar with the
newer
> Carbon & aluminum frames, but I wondered what they did in the past
regarding
> frames. >>
>
> We sold frames in that era (off topic early 1990s) and the Look folks
freely
> admitted their steel frames were made in Italy by Scapin, if memory
serves...
>
>
> Dale Brown
> Greensboro, North Carolina
> <A HREF="http://www.cyclesdeoro.com">cyclesdeORO.com</A>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 09:22:40 -0500
> From: "Raoul Delmare" <Raoul.L.Delmare@worldnet.att.net>
> To: "C.R. List" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>,
> "Bruce C." <BruceCumberland@comcast.net>
> Subject: [CR]Check that Weyless seatpost..IMPORTANT CLARIFICATION!
> Message-ID: <010301c359ca$b3696300$e64efea9@oemcomputer>
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>
> Although , of course , FIRST GENERATION original Weyless seatposts (
> Made-In-U.S.A. ) can develop what I will call "loose heads" .
>
> The head of the post is "glued" to the shaft . If the "glue" fails
,
> the head can rotate from side to side . No big deal . The nose of
the
> saddle just swings a bit , until you get home .
>
> The fix is to drill a small hole , and insert a pin , or a set screw .
>
> Which , if I am remembering correctly , is exactly what Weyless did on
the
> second-generation original Weyless seatposts ( Made-In-U.S.A. ) .
>
> ( am I getting my first-generation Weyless information confused with my
> first-generation American Classic information ?? ?? )
>
> I have a first-generation Weyless seatpost that was custom modified by its
> original owner , before I received it . The tiny , black , headless
,
> allen-key-adjustable , set screw , is very elegant looking !
>
> Gosh I love Weyless ( U.S.A. ) hubs , seatposts , and rollers !
>
> :^)
> Raoul Delmare
> Marysville Kansas
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <OROBOYZ@aol.com>
> To: <morganx9@yahoo.com>; <jaysports@lycos.com>;
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 8:45 AM
> Subject: [CR]Check that Weyless seatpost..IMPORTANT CLARIFICATION!
>
>
> > In a message dated 8/3/2003 3:24:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > morganx9@yahoo.com writes:
> >
> > <<.........This crash happened last Sunday and he was riding his new
> > Scattante from
> > SuperGo. It had a Weyless seatpost that either broke a bolt or the bolt
> fell
> > out. He was at the back of the group and was not run over but he did
fall
> > backwards off the bike suddenly and broke his neck......... >>
> >
> > It is very important to clarify which "Weyless" seatpost involved here!
> Just
> > as with Motobecane, Mercier, and other classic names of bygone days,
> > opportunistic retailers and importers are buying up rights to names
which
> illicit
> > memories of quality and tradition but then place them on low cost
product
> often
> > designed in haste and made by the lowest bidder..
> >
> > The brand name "Weyless" has been purchased and placed on Chinese made
> > product as a marketing ploy by a vendor known for low prices and
marketing
> hype.
> > These "modern" products have virtually no similarity to the "vintage"
USA
> made
> > Weyless products of the 1970s and 80s. I have never heard of a
made-in-USA
> > Weyless seatpost failing.
> >
> > The clue in this story was the bicycle being identified as "Scattante"
> which
> > sounds Italian but is far from that. I hope the victim vigorously
pursues
> > these retailers and helps to get this crap off the
> market....................
> >
> > Dale Brown
> > Greensboro, North Carolina
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 10:32:44 -0400
> From: "First Flight Bicycles" <jeff@firstflightbikes.com>
> To: "classic list" <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]The Original Plastic Bike
> Message-ID: <0b7d01c359cc$1c917100$9fd4e4ce@1flight>
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> Message: 13
>
> I know we have discussed this bike in the past and just had an email about
> one of the "founders" of the company.
>
> <<<If you take a look at today's (8/1/2003) New York Post you will see
that
> Charles Cadorette has turned himself in to the NYC prosecutor on felony
> charges for bilking 9/11 charity funds. Yep it's the same Charlie. I knew
> him in the 70's and saw the prototype of the bike. I believe his old
partner
> Joe Dorrity still has it. So the bike existed. However in light of today's
> news I wonder if the investment was a scam.
> I was told the deal fell through because the gas crisis of the 1970's
> effected the production cost of the bike. Who knows. >>>
>
> Once a scammer always a scammer.
>
> The brochure for the bike is @
http://www.firstflightbikes.com/
> if anyone is interested.
>
>
> Jeff Archer
> First Flight Bicycles
> 216 S. Center St.
> Statesville, NC 28677
> 704.878.9683
> jeff@firstflightbikes.com
> http://www.firstflightbikes.com
> Always looking for vintage mountain bikes/parts/literature
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 12:03:18 -0400
> From: Starstryke25@netscape.net (Bryon Wright)
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]1974 Raleigh Grand Sport value
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>
> I have a 1974 Raleigh Gran Sport and I've accumulated all data except for
it's worth. It has 100% original equipment except for the bar tape and the
tires.
> It is very similar to the 1976 model picture at
http://www.retroraleighs.com/
>
> Any help is greatly appreciated.
> -Bryon Wright
> Antioch, CA
>
> --
> Illegitemi Non Carborundum
>
>
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> Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 09:31:58 -0700 (PDT)
> From: scott davis <francopedia@yahoo.com>
> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]FLASH--Franco Suisse Wunder Bike C. 1938 Done
> Message-ID: <20030803163158.99655.qmail@web13705.mail.yahoo.com>
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>
> I Finally completed the '30s Suisse bike with no name and rode it 50
miles. Everything is original except:
> *Period Correct Brampton Chain.
> *Period Correct Centrix Bar/Stem and Tenax Brake Levers
> *Modern Reg Cage and Repop bottle
> *Modern Silca Pump and cables.
> *New Christophe toe clips straps
> *Paris Roubaix/Del Mondo Tires
>
> ***************************************
> ORIGINAL PARTS:
> *Weinmann Super Sport Chrome Calipers
> *F. Boehm Dural Flip-flop Hubs SUPER SMOOTH!
> *Super Champ TDF shifter 3 spd Cyclo F-wheel
> *Lion Logo Rims--wood filled super light, Name illegible
> *PEARL Saddle Dural Rails and Dural post
> *Stronglight H.S. and cranks.
> *Super Light Dural Pedals w/ hollow axles (at crank ends only) NO NAME
>
> If anyone has info on the F. Boehm hubs, No-name pedals and Lion Logo
rims, I'd appreciate your comments.
> Scott in St. Paul, MN
>
http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/
>
>
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> Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 11:50:21 -0500
> From: "jerrymoos" <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Raoul Delmare" <Raoul.L.Delmare@worldnet.att.net>,
> "C.R. List" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>,
> "Bruce C." <BruceCumberland@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Check that Weyless seatpost..IMPORTANT CLARIFICATION!
> Message-ID: <028501c359df$543081b0$efddfea9@mooshome>
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> <010301c359ca$b3696300$e64efea9@oemcomputer>
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>
> Speaking of this, is there a connection between American Classic and the
old
> Weyless? Their current seatpost seems to be essentially to old Weyless
> design. If it weren't for the large logo, in fact, this post would be a
> nice option for a replacement post for a late 70'/ early 80's bike. I've
> only seen photos of this post. Is it perhaps possible to remove the logo
> without ruining the finish of the post?
>
> In the same vein, I've noticed the old French Laprade design, later
produced
> by SR in the classic era, is still being made by Kalloy. I've ordered a
few
> for those odd old sizes, hope the logo isn't too prominent.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
> Houston, TX
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Raoul Delmare" <Raoul.L.Delmare@worldnet.att.net>
> To: "C.R. List" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>; "Bruce C."
> <BruceCumberland@comcast.net>
> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 9:22 AM
> Subject: [CR]Check that Weyless seatpost..IMPORTANT CLARIFICATION!
>
>
> > Although , of course , FIRST GENERATION original Weyless seatposts
(
> > Made-In-U.S.A. ) can develop what I will call "loose heads" .
> >
> > The head of the post is "glued" to the shaft . If the "glue"
fails
> ,
> > the head can rotate from side to side . No big deal . The nose of
> the
> > saddle just swings a bit , until you get home .
> >
> > The fix is to drill a small hole , and insert a pin , or a set screw .
> >
> > Which , if I am remembering correctly , is exactly what Weyless did on
> the
> > second-generation original Weyless seatposts ( Made-In-U.S.A. ) .
> >
> > ( am I getting my first-generation Weyless information confused with my
> > first-generation American Classic information ?? ?? )
> >
> > I have a first-generation Weyless seatpost that was custom modified by
its
> > original owner , before I received it . The tiny , black ,
headless
> ,
> > allen-key-adjustable , set screw , is very elegant looking !
> >
> > Gosh I love Weyless ( U.S.A. ) hubs , seatposts , and rollers !
> >
> > :^)
> > Raoul Delmare
> > Marysville Kansas
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <OROBOYZ@aol.com>
> > To: <morganx9@yahoo.com>; <jaysports@lycos.com>;
> > <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 8:45 AM
> > Subject: [CR]Check that Weyless seatpost..IMPORTANT CLARIFICATION!
> >
> >
> > > In a message dated 8/3/2003 3:24:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > morganx9@yahoo.com writes:
> > >
> > > <<.........This crash happened last Sunday and he was riding his new
> > > Scattante from
> > > SuperGo. It had a Weyless seatpost that either broke a bolt or the
bolt
> > fell
> > > out. He was at the back of the group and was not run over but he did
> fall
> > > backwards off the bike suddenly and broke his neck......... >>
> > >
> > > It is very important to clarify which "Weyless" seatpost involved
here!
> > Just
> > > as with Motobecane, Mercier, and other classic names of bygone days,
> > > opportunistic retailers and importers are buying up rights to names
> which
> > illicit
> > > memories of quality and tradition but then place them on low cost
> product
> > often
> > > designed in haste and made by the lowest bidder..
> > >
> > > The brand name "Weyless" has been purchased and placed on Chinese made
> > > product as a marketing ploy by a vendor known for low prices and
> marketing
> > hype.
> > > These "modern" products have virtually no similarity to the "vintage"
> USA
> > made
> > > Weyless products of the 1970s and 80s. I have never heard of a
> made-in-USA
> > > Weyless seatpost failing.
> > >
> > > The clue in this story was the bicycle being identified as "Scattante"
> > which
> > > sounds Italian but is far from that. I hope the victim vigorously
> pursues
> > > these retailers and helps to get this crap off the
> > market....................
> > >
> > > Dale Brown
> > > Greensboro, North Carolina
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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