In a message dated 9/29/03 12:41:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Bikerdaver writes:
> For whatever it is worth, I have seen that seat-style collar on early 70s
> Frejus and Olmos. Additionally, I thought those Tipo hubs came out in the
> early to mid 60s; the quick release levers look kinda ancient.
Hi Dave, I think the Tipo hubs were introduced with Catalogue #17 in 1974 with straight QRs. Curved QRs came about in 1978 (C.P.S.C.). By the early 70s, Frejus has changed to the more normal style binder on their pro frames. I don't know when they "quit" making them with the collar, but by the 70s, the only frames I recall still using them were the junky cheap ones with stamped drop outs. I think they were using up the old style seat lugs, probably still around in great numbers. Stevan