[CR]WTB Mavic MA40 36 hole rims (Mike Tatum)

> Chuck,
>
> I can't quite make out exactly what they did to the
> head lug. I'm all in favor of
> removing the extention; but these lugs don't lend
> themselves to a particularly
> graceful modification. I have been successful in
> modifying a Pacenti lug to my
> taste, but most lugs cast with an extention are not
> well suited to changes. Ideally
> a lug pattern should be completly consistent in
> theme and should be flowing and
> graceful throught the design. It seems that the best
> way to accomplish this is to
> start with whatever intention you have in mind as
> opposed to modify something. The
> "art" of modifying lugs is more difficult than one
> might imagine; very few builders
> really have "the touch" for modifying lugs into a
> graceful and beautiful design in
> my opinion.
>
> Personally, I applaud the effort to build a lugged
> steel frame, but am somewhat
> disappointed in the lack of top class refinements in
> the construction and very poor
> graphic design in my view. There is no harmony in
> the graphic scheme at all.
>
> The encourageing sign here is that the Italians seem
> to be starting to recognize
> "vintage" styling and the concept of nostalgia. Who
> woulda' thought? I think it's
> fairly obvious that we are entering another cycle of
> steel frames. The chore again
> will be in seperating decent frames with excellent
> paint jobs from excellent frames
> with excellent paint jobs. Education is neccessary.
> Hopefully I can help one sharpen
> ones' eyes to the details that "seperate the men
> from the boys".
>
> Brian Baylis
> La Mesa, CA
>
> Chuck Schmidt wrote:
>
> > LouDeeter@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > http://client.visuallink.com/~krawls/id47.htm
> > >
> > > Richard Sachs sent me these pics of this very
> nice Alberto Masi frame made
> > > from his lugs. Thanks to Karen Rawls for
> hosting it on her site. Lou Deeter,
> > > Orlando FL
> >
> > Just my opinion, but that upper head lug looks not
> so wonderful compared
> > to its lower head lug mate! A result of cutting
> off the upper head lug
> > "extension"?
> >
> > What do the rest of you think? I imagine Faliero
> would be rolling his eyes...
> >
> > Head lug picture:
> >
> http://client.visuallink.com/~krawls/1ede0800.jpg
> >
> > Chuck Schmidt
> > South Pasadena, CA
> >
> > .
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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 21:15:16 -0400 From: "Mike Dayton" <mdayton1@bellsouth.net> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Re: Paris-Brest-Paris on 1948 Rene Herse tandem Message-ID: <000f01c3766f$d4369460$0100a8c0@mshome.net> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 2

Thanks for that report, Jan. In fact, there were quite a few on-topic = bikes at PBP -- but many of their riders, like me, were bringing up the = rear a full day behind you! I rode a circa 1972 Silk Hope "Perfect = Pleasure" frame -- the one that is on the McLean/Silk Hope link on = Classic Rendezvous' USA builder's link: = http://www.classicrendezvous.com/USA/McLean_D_Borden.htm. I acquired it = from listmember Dan Borden several months ago and built it up with PBP = in mind, using a mix of old and new parts, as well as fenders. I also = used a SON dynamo hub. The bike handled beautifully, a testament to the = care and craftsmanship McLean put into his frames. Yes, there were = mostly newer bikes in evidence, but a healthy minority of the 4,000 = riders chose vintage rides. Before the start of the event, I walked = among the hundreds of bikes in racks outside the St. Quentin gymnasium = and saw dozens of old English, Italian and French machines. Herses, = Singers, Bianchis, Raleighs, Merciers, Longstaff racing trikes, and = older frames by makers I was unfamiliar with. In the "flame-keeper" = department, I saw lots of Rivendells as well as a Richard Sachs bike. = The British riders in particular turned out in force with a vintage = fleet, many on frames from small custom builders. My favorite, though, = was a repainted 1960s Holdsworth, complete with the fork lamp bracket, = about four inches of rake in the fork and a beautiful headbadge. The = owner told me the rake provided an extraordinary degree of comfort. A = dozen or more riders rode fixed gears, including one fellow on a Claud = Butler who said he was forced onto his "back-up" bike because he broke = his "good" bike on a 600K qualifier when the seat tube snapped in half, = forcing an emergency repair with a strap. I rode for long spells with = British riders, including one on a new Flying Gate. They recognized the = English influences in the Silk Hope, and we spent the better part of an = hour talking about the vintage bikes each of us had at home in the = basement. I've since corresponded with one who is restoring a 1948 fixed = gear for his father-in-law. On the third day of the event, I rode for = several hours with a five-time finisher from Tennessee who was on a = Mercian he'd purchased in the early 1980s. He bought it at a time when = fenders were required on PBP. For me, PBP proved to be the event of a = lifetime, in part because it was the largest collection of vintage bikes = I've ever seen outside of the Cirque. It was great to see them in motion = and set up for pure functionality.

Mike Dayton Raleigh, NC

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 21:23:53 -0400 From: "Tom Sanders" <tsan7759142@comcast.net> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Bob Hovey's masi Message-ID: <018201c37671$0832b9f0$49f0f50c@C1921978A> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="windows-1255" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Reply-To: Tom Sanders <tsan7759142@comcast.net> Message: 3

Bob Hovey and Chuck Schmidt posted (in part) the following discussion:
> I've got an '88 Masi GC that Joe Starck built. It is one of the = prettiest,
> cleanest frames I've ever seen, inside and out. Fork blades have = beautiful
> sweeping curves with no awkward breaks, dropout filing is crisp and = neat,=20 the
> fluted chainstay caps are perfectly symmetrical and the brazing under = them=20 is
> beautifully radiused... I know it's not a "golden age" frame, but = it's one=20 of
> those that you can have sitting in a room with you and find yourself=20 starting at
> time and again for no good reason.
>=20
> Bob
>
>Hi Bob,
>
>Sounds like a very nice bike. This should be posted to the group to
>generate discussion...
>
>Chuck

Chuck;

Your wish is my command. Naturally, I shall also post your last = sentence to=20 make it plain who the instigator is... it's an Off-Topic year, an' if = Dale's=20 agonna come chasin' after somebody with a length of Everest slotted = chain, I=20 sure don't want it to be me...

Well others might think it not a proper Masi or appropriate to the list = discussion, but I feel it is a lovely bike by a keeper of the flame and = in every way a worthwhile bike that holds its' own with most other on = topic bikes. And Bob, don't worry so much about the opinions of others. = I happen to know there is probably no one on the list who has a finer = sense of what constitutes artistic excellence than you. I doubt Dale = would find much to fault with it (except the C Record on it and I even = like that). Tom Sanders Lansing, Mi

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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 21:31:30 -0400 From: kurtsperry@netscape.net (Kurt Sperry) To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]RE: Richie-Lugged Masi Message-ID: <4F2A1433.49DBD5A1.0FD8938F@netscape.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 4

Since no one else is, as an artist I've got to jump in and register my complete agreement with Brian's critcisms of the graphic treastment on this bike. The lettering looks to me like the cheesy press-on '70s lettering I used in graphics art classes then. It was ugly then and, '70s nostalgia aside, much like disco it still sucks. I am not qualified to comment on the construction details. Maybe I'm just averse to '70s graphics in general, but I swear it wasn't all so canned looking!

My two lire, Kurt Sperry B'ham WA

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 21:09:45 -0600 From: "J.Dunn" <bikehunter@msn.com> To: "wayofftheback" <wayofftheback@yahoo.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]More Sears 531 madness on E-Bay Message-ID: <003101c3767f$d2a10d00$0201a8c0@pacbell.net> References: <20030908234434.1795.qmail@web20104.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5

Is this bike not butted Reynolds 531?

John Dunn in Boise
>
> http://ebay.com/<blah>
>
> Regards,
>
> John Taglia
> Chicago, Illinois
>
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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 23:37:21 -0400 From: Joe Bender-Zanoni <joebz@optonline.net> To: "J.Dunn" <bikehunter@msn.com>, wayofftheback <wayofftheback@yahoo.com>, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]More Sears 531 madness on E-Bay Message-ID: <006101c37683$ae0eba60$6400a8c0@jfbender> References: <20030908234434.1795.qmail@web20104.mail.yahoo.com> <003101c3767f$d2a10d00$0201a8c0@pacbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: list Message: 6

Hey thats what the decal says. Full 531 DB throughout. This is a product of Steyr Daimler Puch of Graz, Austria. Sears had a deal that sold the Steyr (lowest marque), then the Austro Daimler (highest) and Puch (middle) bikes were brought in under seperate distribution. With varying cosmetics these are very neat riders. Even the cheap bikes had great tubing because the SDP "works" made their own great straight guage stuff. Not "gas pipe" by any means.

Actually, when all is said and done about production bicycles, probably the best as long as you like a long top tube.

Joe Bender-Zanoni
Great Notch, NJ