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>Today's Topics:
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> 1. Re: New Brooks Swallow with Ti Rails (Raoul Delmare)
> 2. Need help on latest find (Bryon Wright)
> 3. Re: New Brooks Swallow with Ti Rails (Chuck Schmidt)
> 4. Northeast CR get together/DELAY IN SCHEDULE (Hetchinspete)
> 5. re: cool tool (C. Andrews)
> 6. New pivot bushings on Super Record Rear Derailleur
> (Chuck Johnston)
> 7. WTT Cinelli 65 for Moustache bar (heddarr)
> 8. 1940s rear dropout spacing (Aldo Ross)
> 9. who got the 1940s Benotto on eBay (Aldo Ross)
> 10. Joe Bell Birthday Colnago Super Ride Sunday 9/14 San Diego Balboa
> Park (Sterling)
> 11. Re: who got the 1940s Benotto on eBay (Chuck Schmidt)
>
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>Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:54:41 -0500
>From: "Raoul Delmare" <Raoul.L.Delmare@worldnet.att.net>
>To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>,
> "Bruce C." <BruceCumberland@comcast.net>
>Subject: Re: [CR]New Brooks Swallow with Ti Rails
>Message-ID: <006801c37818$6f82d7e0$e64efea9@oemcomputer>
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>Hey Tom ,
>
> Have you taken a close look at a Brooks Swift , with its titanium rails
>, and its cut-away sides ?
>
> It's not quite a Brooks Swallow , but it is pretty close .
>
> It has also been easily available for a few years ( it's only money
>:^) .
>
> A few years ago I went nuts , spent the money , and put a Brooks Swift
>on a very "off-topic" bicycle . With the titanium rails , and the
>cut-away sides , it is very-very "spring-y" . I've heard that there
>are some who don't like the ride . Personally , I like the cushioned ,
>sprung , shock-absorbing nature of the ride . Hey , it's NOT like
>riding a saddle with real coil springs in it . It's NOT like riding a
>seatpost with a spring in it . But , it really does have a little bit
>more bounce ! I think it's a very lively sort of a feel . And by the
>way , cutting away the sides really does reduce the stiffness of the
>leather "shell" of any leather saddle ( well actually it would do the
>same for plastic also , wouldn't it ? ) .
>
> Raoul Delmare
> Marysville Kansas
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tom Sanders" <tsan7759142@comcast.net>
>To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 7:20 PM
>Subject: [CR]New Brooks Swallow with Ti Rails
>
>
>Folks, I am in the market for one of the above saddles, but understand that
>they have not yet been released for sale. If someone gets some information
>on where and when and how much money, and perhaps the weight, would you
>please drop me a line? If you know of a good deal on one, I'd be very
>grateful.
>Thank you
>Tom Sanders
>Lansing, Mi
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 00:50:52 -0400
>From: Starstryke25@netscape.net (Bryon Wright)
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]Need help on latest find
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>I went to Salvation Army today and picked up a bianchi road bike..
>It has Ishiwata tubing and I remember seeing that in the bicycle
>glossary. The serial number on the frame is AS436339 and it has
>Suntour Cyclone Mark II components.
>Any help is appreciated in aging this bicycle and if it's of any
>value please let me know, I only spent $25 on it.
>
>-Bryon Wright
>Antioch, California
>
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>Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 23:28:37 -0700
>From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]New Brooks Swallow with Ti Rails
>Message-ID: <3F6015FC.423AE865@earthlink.net>
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>Raoul Delmare wrote:
>>
>> Hey Tom ,
>>
>> Have you taken a close look at a Brooks Swift , with its titanium rails
>> , and its cut-away sides ?
>>
>> It's not quite a Brooks Swallow , but it is pretty close .
>>
>> It has also been easily available for a few years ( it's only money
>> :^) .
>>
>> A few years ago I went nuts , spent the money , and put a Brooks Swift
>> on a very "off-topic" bicycle . With the titanium rails , and the
>> cut-away sides , it is very-very "spring-y" . I've heard that there
>> are some who don't like the ride . Personally , I like the cushioned ,
>> sprung , shock-absorbing nature of the ride . Hey , it's NOT like
>> riding a saddle with real coil springs in it . It's NOT like riding a
>> seatpost with a spring in it . But , it really does have a little bit
>> more bounce ! I think it's a very lively sort of a feel . And by the
>> way , cutting away the sides really does reduce the stiffness of the
>> leather "shell" of any leather saddle ( well actually it would do the
>> same for plastic also , wouldn't it ? ) .
>
>
>I just got a black Brooks Swift (thanks to a list member) for my fixed
>gear recreation of a Road/Track Path Racer (not a track bike) '02
>Waterford. Bike riders that see the bike think it is a restored old
>bike even though it is a current Reynolds 853 tubing and polished
>stainless Henry James lugged bike with current Campagnolo track group
>and Record brake.
>
>So I began to feel the Selle Italia SLR saddle (minimalistic, picture a
>leaf) was looking totally out of place, so that's the reason for the
>Swift. But it was too springy, Raoul. Felt like the tension bolt
>wasn't tensioned enough. But putting a turn on the bolt didn't change
>anything; still too springy.
>
>So I thought, it time for some "saddle butchering" the way it's done in
>the British Isles. I trimed off the nose (picture a Brooks Pro) and
>trimed off the leather below the rear frame (cantle plate) along with
>the name plate. Finally, I punched five holes in each side of the flaps
>(half inch in from the edge) and laced the two sides together with a
>black shoe lace (leather lacing stretches too much).
>
>Result: The Saddle is transformed! No longer springy and the tension
>bolt is backed completely off and the saddle is stiff! Hard to believe
>how much of a total change lacing can make! Highly recommended!
>
>Chuck Schmidt
>El Pueblo de Nuestra SeÒora la Reina de los Angeles de Porcincula, California
>
>.
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 6:47:23 -0400
>From: Hetchinspete <hetchins.pete@verizon.net>
>To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: [CR]Northeast CR get together/DELAY IN SCHEDULE
>Message-ID: <20030911104723.VRTY4763.pop015.verizon.net@localhost>
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>This weekends upcoming Northeast cycle get together and BBR for
>Northeast CR members at Larz Anderson Park has been delayed by one
>week and is rescheduled for the following Saturday, September 20th.
>If you need any further information please send me an email.
>Peter Naiman
>Boston, MA
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 09:21:34 -0700
>From: "C. Andrews" <chasds@mindspring.com>
>To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: [CR]re: cool tool
>Message-ID: <002f01c37880$c546bbc0$719afea9@chasds>
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>
>
>Thanks to all for filling me in on the axle vise. I should
>have known what it was. I never had a use for one I guess,
>I got along all this time with two wrenches instead. I can
>see where it would come in handy, though
>
>Charles Andrews
>SoCal
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:01:17 -0600
>From: "Chuck Johnston" <crj@frii.com>
>To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: [CR]New pivot bushings on Super Record Rear Derailleur
>Message-ID: <000001c37886$54687af0$0201a8c0@Larry>
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>
>I wondered if anyone has rebuilt the Campy Nuovo Record or Super Record
>Rear derailleur bushings/ pins ? Several years ago I bought both the 4
>brass bushing ( Campy # 82/A Body Ferrule) and 4 aluminum pins ( Campy
>#808A Spindle)
>
>I have some ideas as to enlarging the ends of the aluminum pins to
>retain them in the end pieces of the Body of the unit but have not been
>entirely pleased with the results on some practice pieces.
>Does anyone have any suggestions?
>
>Another idea is to use a 3.5mm hollow roll pin ( I saw this used on the
>one George Mount was using in the Coors Classic in the early 8o's )
>any experience with this and suggestions.
>
>
>Thanks
>Chuck Johnston
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 13:14:04 -0400
>From: "heddarr" <heddarr@indianaconnect.com>
>To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: [CR]WTT Cinelli 65 for Moustache bar
>Message-ID: <004201c37888$1cceb4e0$43549e8d@clymeralliance>
>References:
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>I have a Cinelli Criterium Mod 65 - 40 that I would like to trade for a
>moustache bar. This is to go on my Zeus.
>
>The bar has a marks at the 4 corners of the brake handle body on each side,
>In the center ribbed section of the sleeve, where the stem rubbed abound the
>corners and tape residue on the center where an odometer was installed.
>
>It is a nice user bar and would like to trade for a bar in similar
>condition.
>
>Howard Darr
>Clymer PA
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 13:21:39 -0400
>From: "Aldo Ross" <swampmtn@siscom.net>
>To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: [CR]1940s rear dropout spacing
>Message-ID: <001801c37889$2e661300$6cf9fea9@j4g1x1>
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>
>The local shop ("WheelieFun", Lebanon, Ohio) is in the process of >straightening the 1953 Learco Guerra frameset and asked me what the rear >spacing should be.
>
>What is the correct spacing for a 40s/50s bike with Corsa or Paris >Roubaix 4-speed? What about 5-speed?
>
>Shop needs to know, and I left all my Campy catalogs at home.
>
>Thanks for any info.
>
>Aldo Ross
>Middletown, Ohio
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 13:28:13 -0400
>From: "Aldo Ross" <swampmtn@siscom.net>
>To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: [CR]who got the 1940s Benotto on eBay
>Message-ID: <002301c3788a$7f91fe00$6cf9fea9@j4g1x1>
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>
>Who won the auction for the 1940s silver Benotto from Germany?
>
>Anyone have those decals, or know if available among the frame painters? > I have a similar bike that I'd like to have resprayed in the same >colour sheme.
>
>Aldo Ross
>Middletown, Ohio
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 10:50:23 -0700
>From: "Sterling" <sterling@tns.net>
>To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: [CR]Joe Bell Birthday Colnago Super Ride Sunday 9/14 San Diego Balboa
> Park
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>
>Come and celebrate Joe Bell's Birthday with us this Sunday, September >,14 . Joe will be celebrating the 26 anniversary of his 21st Birthday. >Meet in front of the Auto museum in Balboa Park at 9:30 , ride starts >at 10:00am. The ride is a fairly easy 25 miles to the Point Loma Light >House and back.
> Joe's favorite ride is a Colnago Super , so if you too have one, bring >it, or if not bring another vintage bike of your choosing. Along the way >we will stop for lunch at Anthony's fish market on the harbor. Before >and after the ride we will be buying and selling vintage bikes, parts >and swaping some good stories about our glory days. So come for the >ride, or just come to sell some parts, see us off and wish Joe a happy >birthday.
>
> Sterling Peters cell phone # 619-239-2781
> San Diego
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 10:51:58 -0700
>From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]who got the 1940s Benotto on eBay
>Message-ID: <3F60B63D.AC0498A7@earthlink.net>
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>
>Aldo Ross wrote:
>>
>> Who won the auction for the 1940s silver Benotto from Germany?
>>
>> Anyone have those decals, or know if available among the frame
>>painters? I have a similar bike that I'd like to have resprayed in
>>the same colour sheme.
>
>
>Twin Cities Scott Davis got it!
>
>Check out those very early style handles on the Cambio Corsa!
><http://ebay0.ipixmedia.com/abc/M28/_EBAY_c5450aa8a9eedee3e3f70bf43f87047b/i-5_B_L.JPG>
>
>Although I didn't see Benoto decals listed, I'm sure this company in
>Italy can help you out Aldo:
><http://www.vintagetransfers.it/home.htm>
>
>Chuck Schmidt
>South Pasadena, CA
>
>.
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>
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