Re: [CR]Nagasawa track bikes

(Example: Framebuilding:Paint)

Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 23:02:39 -0500
From: "Joe Bender-Zanoni" <joebz@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [CR]Nagasawa track bikes
To: Richard M Sachs <richardsachs@juno.com>, chuckschmidt@earthlink.net
References: <20040307.220305.3280.41.richardsachs@juno.com>
cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

I don't understand this about plug in dropouts on Pop Brennan and Drysdale track frames. To me, plug in on the Nagasawa means a cast dropout (forkend) with a cast in socket for the tube. A shortcut, but a nice shortcut.

All the examples Brennan and Drysdales I have seen and own have simple plate dropouts, cut from good quality steel. Ritchie- do you say plug in because the tube ends are left open? They are, there is no filler to close the tube ends.

The Brennans were famous for using Brown and Sharpe tool steel for the plates. It is rather hard to cut as you would imagine. Jeff Groman has the templates they used to cut the dropouts.

By the way he also has the other Brennan tools and special tooling, like the blocks for bending the bars as liked by the various riders..

Joe Bender-Zanoni
Great Notch, NJ


----- Original Message -----
From: Richard M Sachs
To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net
Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: [CR]Nagasawa track bikes



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> just for the %#(&^ ] of it i'll add:
> i've done a few repairs in my time and have been pleasantly
> surprised at the construction quality i've seen in the 20s/30s,
> etecetereterera frames built by the drysdales and pop brennans
> of the world. these were true track frames built for the original
> six-day era.
> many/most of these had plug-in dropouts.
> proper-issimo.
> e-RICHIE
> chester, ct
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> Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> writes:
> Tom Sanders wrote:
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> > If you like the Nagasawa work, you might like to check out
> http://businesscycles.com/nagasawa.htm The track drop outs
> they show are really works of art! Some classy bikes there, too.
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> Yes, arty track ends, but disappointing that they are plug in type to
> simplify construction. Personally, I'd rather not see labor saving
> design on a $2400 frame...
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> http://businesscycles.com/graphics/naga_do_wh.jpg
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> Chuck Schmidt
> South Pasadena, Southern California