snipped: "To me, plug in on the Nagasawa means a cast dropout (forkend) with a cast in socket for the tube. A shortcut, but a nice shortcut."
jbz in the framebuilding trade, both "plug-in" dropouts and "cast w socket OR spiggot" dtopouts are thought of as labor saving types. why? because they eliminate a step or two involving slotting the stays and finessing the confluence between them. the frames i worked on had a male/female thingy going on between the dropouts and the frame. i'm merely pointing out that these go to the "old days"; they're not new.
e-RICHIE chester, ct
Joe Bender-Zanoni <joebz@optonline.net> writes: I don't understand this about plug in dropouts on Pop Brennan and Drysdale track frames. To me, plug in on the Nagasawa means a cast dropout (forkend) with a cast in socket for the tube. A shortcut, but a nice shortcut.
All the examples Brennan and Drysdales I have seen and own have simple plate dropouts, cut from good quality steel. Ritchie- do you say plug in because the tube ends are left open? They are, there is no filler to close the tube ends.
The Brennans were famous for using Brown and Sharpe tool steel for the plates. It is rather hard to cut as you would imagine. Jeff Groman has the templates they used to cut the dropouts.
By the way he also has the other Brennan tools and special tooling, like the blocks for bending the bars as liked by the various riders..
Joe Bender-Zanoni
Great Notch, NJ
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\r?\n> just for the %#(&^ ] of it i'll add:
\r?\n> i've done a few repairs in my time and have been pleasantly
\r?\n> surprised at the construction quality i've seen in the 20s/30s,
\r?\n> etecetereterera frames built by the drysdales and pop brennans
\r?\n> of the world. these were true track frames built for the original
\r?\n> six-day era.
\r?\n> many/most of these had plug-in dropouts.
\r?\n> proper-issimo.
\r?\n> e-RICHIE
\r?\n> chester, ct