I think it would be nice if some of the wonderful frame builders attending the cirque just bring some of their lugs in the raw, with some work done to them and the final lugs. This would give those attending an idea of what is involved. On the final lug with a felt pen write in the hours for that lug. The art of joining the lugs into a final frame would be nice to see but I sure the builders are there for relaxation not work. They might even enjoy looking at each others work in the raw. Sans paint. Just a late eveing thought Charles Nighbor Walnut Creek, CA