Greetings I have started stripping my '46 Clements and I have some numbers and names stamped in various places. Since I am pretty new at this, can any one fill me in with any info on the following? 1. Handlebars are stamped with the name Reynolds Hidominium Alloy 2. The numbers right at the base of the frames under the crank (bearly discernable until I get the paint stripped right off? 3. The numbers on the fork stem. 189 9
I was hoping to find the original colour over sprayed on the fork stem but alas, when I had it painted as a boy in the 60's they seem to have done a compete strip to the metal job. I have an idea from my Father that it was originally light metallic green and that that colour or cherise were the "flavours du jour" back then. I have asked this before but maybe we have new members since the last asking....... What colours were on Clements frames back in the mid 40's.
Oh two last things. Any bright ideas for removing cotter pins after ~60 years and secondly, the cranks have lost their finish and I am wondering whether they would have been chromed on a bike built for road racing?
Thanks
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Period Correct Components for 87-ish DeRosa Pro (Chuck Schmidt) 2. Re: MAFAC CENTERPULLS (Jan Heine) 3. Re: Period Correct Components for 87-ish DeRosa Pro (Chuck Schmidt) 4. Goodies For Sale (Eric Elman) 5. Re: Period Correct Components for 87-ish DeRosa Pro (Steven L. Sheffield) 6. Re: DeRosa History Question 7. Fwd: Size 37 Duegi wooden-sole shoes for sale (Morgan Fletcher)
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Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 10:28:38 -0800 From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Period Correct Components for 87-ish DeRosa Pro Message-ID: <406F0253.F6BE4295@earthlink.net> References: <000801c4197a$b94cf730$6501a8c0@bob> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net Message: 1
Mike Lackey wrote:
>
> Greetings, all.
>
> Several years ago I purchased an 87-ish DeRosa Pro frame/fork. At that time I
installed a 97-ish Campy 9-spd Ergo setup on the bike. It's the pride and joy
of my rather meager collection. The frame/fork are in excellent condition, and
I'm thinking it's time to "upgrade" the bike and hang period-correct components
on the frame. I suspect a nice collection of Campy SR parts would be a safe
bet, but...
>
> My question is directed to those who own, or are familiar, with mid-80's
DeRosas. What advice would you offer to someone starting a journey such as
mine? Where can I find info on this subject? Any one care to share first-hand
knowledge?
>
> Mike Lackey
> 6:50am and getting ready to ride in Madison, AL
>
> PS - would be glad to share some pics off-list
The '86 De Rosa catalog (I sell a reprint) shows photos of their Professional SLX equipped two ways, one with C-Record and one Super Record. My Ugo Blue '87 is the Super Record version and one of my favorite bikes (actually I say that about all my bikes ;)
Cover: http://www.velo-retro.com/
De Rosa Catalog, 1986 -- 4 pages, all color, pictures of Eddy Merckx on his De Rosa, Ugo brazing a frame, Ugo with his sons Danilo, Dorino and Cristiano, and Super Record equiped and Record equiped Professional SLX bikes. English text. Color cover. $ 7
Chuck Schmidt South Pasadena, Southern California http://www.velo-retro.com (reprints, t-shirts and timelines)
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Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 10:33:16 -0800 From: Jan Heine <heine93@earthlink.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Re: MAFAC CENTERPULLS Message-ID: <a0521065bbc94b315fc3f@[66.167.253.177]> In-Reply-To: <9e.7333c23.2d9fbd7e@aol.com> References: <9e.7333c23.2d9fbd7e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 2
Paul Brown wrote:
>The early racers were stamped with just
>Mafac on the front arm.
Forged, not stamped. Minor difference, but important for the strength of the arms. I think other aluminum brakes at the time often featured cast arms, which break when you try to bend them. The early Mafac arms were marked "Dural Forge" to show that they were both alloy and forged.
--
Jan Heine, Seattle
Editor/Publisher
Vintage Bicycle Quarterly
http://www.mindspring.com/
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Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 10:46:25 -0800 From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Period Correct Components for 87-ish DeRosa Pro Message-ID: <406F0681.4210C121@earthlink.net> References: <000801c4197a$b94cf730$6501a8c0@bob> <406F0253.F6BE4295@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net Message: 3
Chuck Schmidt wrote:
>
> Mike Lackey wrote:
> >
> > Greetings, all.
> >
> > Several years ago I purchased an 87-ish DeRosa Pro frame/fork. At that time
I installed a 97-ish Campy 9-spd Ergo setup on the bike. It's the pride and joy
of my rather meager collection. The frame/fork are in excellent condition, and
I'm thinking it's time to "upgrade" the bike and hang period-correct components
on the frame. I suspect a nice collection of Campy SR parts would be a safe
bet, but...
> >
> > My question is directed to those who own, or are familiar, with mid-80's
DeRosas. What advice would you offer to someone starting a journey such as
mine? Where can I find info on this subject? Any one care to share first-hand
knowledge?
> >
> > Mike Lackey
> > 6:50am and getting ready to ride in Madison, AL
> >
> > PS - would be glad to share some pics off-list
>
> The '86 De Rosa catalog (I sell a reprint) shows photos of their
> Professional SLX equipped two ways, one with C-Record and one Super
> Record. My Ugo Blue '87 is the Super Record version and one of my
> favorite bikes (actually I say that about all my bikes ;)
>
> Cover: http://www.velo-retro.com/
>
> De Rosa Catalog, 1986 -- 4 pages, all color, pictures of Eddy Merckx on
> his De Rosa, Ugo brazing a frame, Ugo with his sons Danilo, Dorino and
> Cristiano, and Super Record equiped and Record equiped Professional SLX
> bikes. English text. Color cover. $ 7
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> South Pasadena, Southern California
> http://www.velo-retro.com (reprints, t-shirts and timelines)
Oh... and here's some large scans of the same catalog on Mark Bulgier's
website (a great and underutilized resource BTW):
http://bulgier.net/
Chuck Schmidt South Pasadena, Southern California
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Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 13:48:46 -0500 From: "Eric Elman" <tr4play@cox.net> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Goodies For Sale Message-ID: <001c01c419ac$4bf9d4f0$764ee544@elman1> References: <20040403154737.33365.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4
Cleaning house of some items no longer needed. As usual, first come, first served; shipping and insurance (if desired) extra, but fair. I will reply back to everyone that inquires but based on past experience some may take a day or two based on contacts and requests from individuals that are before you on the same items. Personal checks ok from those I know, MO's otherwise please; sorry, no Paypal. Here goes:
1. Campagnolo NR brake levers arm, used, last version of early style lever, ie. extra swoop at bottom of lever, otherwise same as late levers. One is very good and one is good with some light rash on one side. Note that this is just the lever arms and not the complete lever units. $15.-
2. Lyotard Berthet pedal set, used, very nice condition, some chrome loss on tops from wear (not peeling though)need some cleaning and each dust cap has some light scrapes, smooth. Believed French threading as they screw into an English threaded crank arm fine but a bit loose . $40.-
3. Suntour Superbe brake caliper set, used in vg to excellent condition. Calipers are long reach 47-57mm, arms and hardware are great and have the early with reddish brown o-rings and pads. $50.-
4. Galli brake lever set, NOS NIB, blue box in so-so shape, no specific model marking on them, levers are drilled and have "GALLI" relief down the top of the arm filled with black, no hoods. $20.-
5. Brake cable outer, NOS, yellow, lined, enough for one complete bike. Originally purchased from bicycle classics years ago. $10.- (2 sets available free shipping if you buy both sets).
6. Zeus Criterium headset, NOS NIB, metric French thread. $30.-
7. OLMO bar tape, NOS NIB, blue textured plastic, 2 boxes = 1 bikes worth. $5.-
8. Simplex bar-con set, NOS NIB, bag sliced open from previous seller to photograph all components. This is very complete and includes bar cons, cables, demultiplicator, directions, chainstay clip & downtube clip. $70.-
9. Campagnolo NR chainring, 151bcd, used 52t, teeth are maybe half worn, dirty and some scrapes and scratches. Not the prettiest but definitely a user. $20.-
10. SR Royal stem, new take-off in excellent condition, finish is on par with old Cinelli stems, has slot cutout in front, short reach at 75mm. 20.-
11. "ttt special" Gran-Prix stem, used, 115mm, relisted at lower price, used in very nice condition, with polishing this is one of the most handsome of stems from the 1960's. Quill bolt missing but chrome clamping bolt intact and very nice. $35.-
12. Suntour Cyclone Mark-II front derialleur, NOS NIB, band clamp type (not solid clamp hinge type). Box is a bit crumpled. Relisted at lower price, $20.-
13. Suntour Cyclone Mark-II front derialleur, NOS NIB, solid clamp hinge type (not band clamp type). $25.-
14. Suntour Cyclone Mark-II rear derailleur, NOS NIB. Great shifting derailleur and very light. $30.-
15. Suntour Cyclone rear derailleur, NOS NIB, 1st gen, box is good derailleur is mint of course. Great shifting and very light. $30.-
16. Brake Caliper, Suntour Superbe Pro, NOS/NIB. Box is for the complete set but this is just the rear caliper and brake cable. Nutted, normal reach, #CB4000. Relisted at lower price, $35.-
17. Suntour large flange sealed bearing hub set, NOS in slightly tattered box, 36h, with QR's too. No model name on box but I'll guess earliest Cyclone. $80.-
18. NOS Zeus - 2000 chain wheel, 53t, 1st generation, drilled, very light shop wear but very nice. Relisted at lower price. $20.- including shipping.
19. Nitto Mod. 165 (shallow reach, medium drop, standard Maes bend) handlebar, used. Marked 42 width. Sold to me as being mounted and then taken off and mint - not so though; she has some light scratches from the stem being mounted. Still very nice and very good or better, just not what I needed. Relisted at lower price. $20.-
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Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 12:34:04 -0700 From: "Steven L. Sheffield" <stevens@veloworks.com> To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Period Correct Components for 87-ish DeRosa Pro Message-ID: <BC945FBC.2A4CA%stevens@veloworks.com> In-Reply-To: <406F0681.4210C121@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5
On 04/03/2004 11:46 AM, "Chuck Schmidt" <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Chuck Schmidt wrote:
>>
>> Mike Lackey wrote:
>>>
>>> Greetings, all.
>>>
>>> Several years ago I purchased an 87-ish DeRosa Pro frame/fork. At that time
>>> I installed a 97-ish Campy 9-spd Ergo setup on the bike. It's the pride and
>>> joy of my rather meager collection. The frame/fork are in excellent
>>> condition, and I'm thinking it's time to "upgrade" the bike and hang
>>> period-correct components on the frame. I suspect a nice collection of
>>> Campy SR parts would be a safe bet, but...
>>>
>>> My question is directed to those who own, or are familiar, with mid-80's
>>> DeRosas. What advice would you offer to someone starting a journey such as
>>> mine? Where can I find info on this subject? Any one care to share
>>> first-hand knowledge?
>>>
>>> Mike Lackey
>>> 6:50am and getting ready to ride in Madison, AL
>>>
>>> PS - would be glad to share some pics off-list
>>
>> The '86 De Rosa catalog (I sell a reprint) shows photos of their
>> Professional SLX equipped two ways, one with C-Record and one Super
>> Record. My Ugo Blue '87 is the Super Record version and one of my
>> favorite bikes (actually I say that about all my bikes ;)
>>
>> Cover: http://www.velo-retro.com/
>>
>> De Rosa Catalog, 1986 -- 4 pages, all color, pictures of Eddy Merckx on
>> his De Rosa, Ugo brazing a frame, Ugo with his sons Danilo, Dorino and
>> Cristiano, and Super Record equiped and Record equiped Professional SLX
>> bikes. English text. Color cover. $ 7
>>
>> Chuck Schmidt
>> South Pasadena, Southern California
>> http://www.velo-retro.com (reprints, t-shirts and timelines)
>
>
> Oh... and here's some large scans of the same catalog on Mark Bulgier's
> website (a great and underutilized resource BTW):
> http://bulgier.net/
But Chuck! Isn't the original question, and your catalogue copy both off-topic for being outside the timeline?
Steven L. Sheffield Fixing a hole where the rain gets in Midvale, Utah
-- Steven L. Sheffield stevens at veloworks dot com veloworks at worldnet dot ay tea tee dot net bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea aye tee why you ti ay aitch aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you double-yew double-ewe dot veloworks dot com [four word] slash
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Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 19:51:12 +0000 From: themaaslands@comcast.net To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org (Classic Rendezvous) Subject: Re: [CR]DeRosa History Question Message-ID: <040320041951.7715.406F15B000085DF500001E232200751150FF8C9B919E938C9E9E929A97@co mcast.net> Precedence: list Message: 6
Tom asked:
> After issuing its' beautiful Anniversary edition, DeRosa issued three Heritage
> Models in the '90s. the first was a replica of a '50s bike, I'm not sure of
the
> designation. Then there was a Heritage 65 Model in white. This was followed
> by a Heritage 73 Molteni, in Molteni orange.
> My question is, was the Heritage 65, which was white, a replica of the Faema
> team bikes? The Heritage Model has World Champion Stripes, but seems to lack
> the dark head tube background of the Faema bikes (which were also white, I
> believe) I have seen in pictures. I am wondering exactly what this Heritage
65
> was a replica of? Any DeRosa sharpies out there who could say?
> The reason I am asking is I have just acquired a super mint Heritage 65 Model
> which I probably will use as trading stock soon, and I would like to know what
I
> am talking about before showing it to folks..
The De Rosa replica series were completely stock 1980's vintage frames with only the paint jobs replicating the older graphics. The frame design was not old, nor were the components, nor the lugs or tubing. Had you bought a bike in 1965 from De Rosa, you would have received the decals and logos as seen on your new bike. Nothing else harks back to that time. You will note that there is no heart to be seen anywhere (they were first used by Ugo in 1973) Effectively you have a mid-late 80's bike with a less common paint job. Personally, I would consider it like virtually any other De Rosa of the same period.
-- Steven Maasland Moorestown, NJ ------------------------------
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 11:59:01 -0800 From: Morgan Fletcher <morgan@hahaha.org> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Cc: Robert Schenker <ris@schenkerdesign.com> Subject: [CR]Fwd: Size 37 Duegi wooden-sole shoes for sale Message-ID: <87isggsuii.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 7
My friend Bob has some shoes for sale that one of you might want.
From: Robert Schenker <ris@schenkerdesign.com> Subject: Old School shoes To: Morgan Fletcher <morgan@hahaha.org> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 14:58:51 -0800
Morgan,
I bought a nearly new pair of Duegi wood soled shoes recently on ebay. Unfortunately they weren't the size the guy said they were. So I'm wondering if you might know someone who wants them. They are size 37--about a male size 7, women's size 8 1/2 or 9.
let me know, Bob
Morgan Fletcher Oakland, CA ------------------------------
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